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It's your call, May 14, 2008

Wednesday, May 14, 2008

Bumper harvest

This is in response to the guy who’s going to get the McCain sticker on his bumper. I am going to get a Obama sticker for mine. Because we need a change, and Republicans are not going to give us a change.

The waiting game

This is to the party who called in about the license bureau. I had to renew my car license and my driver’s license in March. I got there in the middle of March, at about 10 in the morning, and I counted 25 people ahead of me in the license line. And it took me 20 minutes to finally get a person to wait on me. The young lady who waited on me was at the front of the license bureau, sitting at a desk there. She was very efficient and helpful and worked just fine. My only suggestion to the party who called in is that this might be helpful: “Patience is the ability to idle your engine when you feel like stripping the gears.”

The man in charge

This is a message to all people: God is in charge of this world. That is why he gave all of these earthquakes and tornadoes, to tell people he is the mighty one.

No way, no sir

I read in the paper today about the school board meeting. There is no way that I am going to vote for an increase in property taxes, a general bond, any kind of tax increase whatsoever. After what the school district did on the last vote and stored up $30 million and had the wool pulled over the voters’ eyes. We thought we were voting for this great thing for the schools only to find out the did nothing and stored the money with it. And all the teachers got pay increases, and now they’re talking about a personal property tax on real estate. No way. I will fight with everyone else and sign whatever petitions, and I’ll stand outside the picket places telling everyone else.

Not so super

Why do we have to have superdelegates? Why can’t both of our candidates for president be put on a ballot and let the people vote for who they want. We know that delegates and superdelegates can be bought off and their opinions can be different from the other people from past elections. Please tell me why we have to have delegates and superdelegates instead of just one ballot for everybody.

An act of privacy

These phone calls asking about the upcoming election: That is no one’s business who, when, how and why we vote as we do. Some privacy act we have.

Real patriot

Just to add a little fuel to the fire: I read an interesting editorial. The writer spoke of a mystery man who served two tours during the war as a Marine and then volunteered two years as a Navy medic. During this same time period, our president was defending the skies of Texas against the Okies. Cheney asked for and received five draft deferments, and Bill Clinton was busy chasing women as a Rhodes scholar at Oxford. So who was this real patriot? The mystery Marine was Jeremiah Wright. Any takers?

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Posted by dondill on May 14, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Absolutely love it! The Reverend Jeremiah Wright was a patriot and a hero. That just makes my day. To think of all the scorn heaped upon him by others. Those rich fat-cats are a joke.

Posted by Rax on May 14, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem with the comment about "needing change" is that Obama talks about change yet has still not given one single example of what changes he will make or how he will implement these supposed changes. It is easy for him to say he will make changes but until he comes up with REAL examples of what he proposes to change I have no intention of even considering him. I really wish those who say they want to vote for him would actually do some research, they would see that he is nothing but a smooth talker. Too many are going to vote for him just because he is young or because he is black instead of what he will actually do for this country. It would be a real shame for this country if he were to be elected president.

Posted by sunny13 on May 14, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To Bumper Harvest: Please explain what kind of "change" you think Obama is going to bring. I'm still waiting for an explanation that outlines what he thinks he can accomplish without raising taxes!

Posted by gr8fan on May 14, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What war was that? Based on Mr. Wright's views, thank god he was a medic so he didn't figure out ways to further terrorize America through aggression. I feel for the caucasian American's he may have treated for what may have happened to them.

Posted by dalearch on May 14, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To Real Patriot:

From what I remember in my history classes, Jesse James was a good boy before he turned crazy too.

Posted by familyguy on May 14, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting take on why the Rev. Wright issue will not go away for Obama:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWEyYWE0ODEwMTY0NDNlOTU1MTgxMjA5ODc2YjNiYmQ=

Senator Obama will continue to pay a heavy price for his association with his reverend and mentor. Obama's judgement is impaired. I do not want him deciding public policy for the entire country. Obama cannot be trusted.

Posted by familyguy on May 14, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rax, I believe those issues will be played out once Obama and McCain are able to go head to head. Right now, it's just too entertaining watching the Dem nominees beat each other up before the convention. Obama is an empty suit. That will become crystal clear within the next few months.

Posted by dondill on May 14, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel that change is in the air. If Obama were to become our president - that would be change enough for me! To think that a black man could become president of our country shows a remarkable amount of change in attitudes of the people of this country. Think of the change around the world of the attitudes toward our country. Other countries would be shocked if a black man became the leader of the free world. I think it would change the climate of hatred directed toward our country if we were to have a black president. I think the world and our country need the breath of fresh air that would accompany an Obama presidency. It would wash away the stale and bitter taste of the past eight years of disaster. It's time for a change and Obama is that change. Our country is ready and the world is too. Go Obama!!

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 14, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So you want to vote for Obama strictly based on his race? Isn't that the definition of racism?

Posted by Rax on May 14, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dondill,
Basing your decision solely on a candidates race is borderline pathetic. I could care less if the president is black, indian, asian, female, or any other race or either gender. Basing a decision as important as the leader of this country on anything except qualifications is the biggest gripe I have when it comes to elections. Folks like you let your emotions guide them and you leave your wits behind. PLEASE research the three candidates and separate their color or gender form the abilities and experience each has. Saying that other countries will respect us more for having a black leader is ridiculous. It would not reduce the hatred others have for our country, it would not be a "breathe of fresh air", and it would not change the attitudes of the rest of the world. What they want from us is action not words and what Obama backers can't seem to comprehend is that this is all that he is about.....words, not actions. This is why he is so appealing to younger folks, they do not have a real handle on what is going on in todays world. What they have is what they discuss in their classes. To them he is the ideal candidate. He is young and is an impressive speaker. They can "relate" to him because he is young and chairsmatic. The problem is we don't need charisma, we need leadership! DO SOME RESEARCH.....PLEASE!!

Posted by Rax on May 14, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

familyguy,
I certainly hope you're right. I wonder how many would be backing him if he were a white man in his 60's?

Posted by gr8fan on May 14, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rax,
Your description of Obama sounds like another famous president, Bill Clinton. All talk and actions based on deceipt.

Posted by dalearch on May 14, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the World hates America, why does everyone want to come here?

You're giving too much credence to the garbage the dumbocrats are spewing to their non-thinking voter base.

Posted by b6799955 on May 14, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In re. to The Waiting Game !

GOD, Grant me patience,,, But PLEASE HURRY !!!

Posted by b6799955 on May 14, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can only Hope that the CHANGE that Senator Obama is talking about it NOT that we will be on the Street Corners
BEGGING for SPARE change !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anoneemus on May 15, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe I'm the only person here that is under the age of five hundred but I just don't see the big deal about a black person being president. It seems as though everyone is implying that black people are generally incapable of holding leadership positions? It's those the profess to be color blind that make the biggest deal about it. And where were all these cheerleaders when Alan Keyes was running for president?

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 15, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see no one who is saying they won't vote because of race. It just who Obama is, it's not the color of this skin. Ask most of those who dislike Obama if they would vote for Colin Powell and I would be a majority would say "for sure".

Posted by Rax on May 15, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

anoneemus,
I have no problem with a person voting for a black candidate. The problem I have is those who will vote for him JUST because he is black. That is equivalent to voting for Hillary just because you like her shoes......... absolutely stupid.

Posted by Anoneemus on May 15, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rax that is exactly my point, but in addition to that it's the whole "I can't believe it's finally happening." Like black people occupying positions of power is some far-fetched space-aged idea. Like Colin Powell and Condi Rice are just total aberrations. It's a totally pedestrian way of thinking.

Posted by Rax on May 15, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

anoneemus,
Sorry, I took your comments wrong. I understand now. It's ironic that these same people would call me names if I said I am voting for John McCain, Hillary Clinton or Ron Paul just so a black man won't be elected. And yet they see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

Posted by gingersnapp on May 16, 2008 at 1:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Apparently those of you who say Senator Obama has no policy positions can't read or don't watch the news enough. If you go to Mr. Obama's web page you can read all of his positions on everything. He will repeal the tax cut for all Americans making over $250,000 a year and give a $1,000 dollar tax credit to those who are in the middle class. He will give tuition assistance to college students for community service. He will appoint both Republican and Democratic people to his cabinet.

If you go to http://www.barackobama.com and click on issues you will find everything you need to know about what Senator Obama policies are.

For those of you who say you would have voted for Colin Powell, why not just admit you would vote for an African American Republican but not for a black Democrat.

That is fine with me as long as you can admit it. I would not vote for a black Republican who is pro-life, anti-Social Security, wants tax cuts for the rich, wants to do away with the estate tax for millionaires, doesn't believe in global warming, would appoint judges to do away with Roe, Griswold, Miranda, and many of the progressive laws that have been passed in the last 50 years.

I could care less if you have an opinion different than mine, but tell us the true reason!

Posted by scrubnurse on May 16, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN Ginger!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by familyguy on May 16, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ginger, Obama may have a great Web site with lots of pretty words and promises, but he has no voting record or past experience to tell us if he would follow through on any of it. He's a one-term senator who barely voted on anything or introduced any bills to the senate. I could create a Web site describing how I will stop hunger, misery, violence and the common cold within four years and as long as I used phrases with "Hope" and "Unity" in it, I guess you'd vote for me too.

I want someone with experience who knows his way around the politics of today. I want someone who will fight for the most innocent of us all and protect this country against foreign invaders who would rather kill you and themselves to achieve nirvana. I want someone who has a HISTORY of reaching across the aisle and working directly with Democrats and Republicans to solve our most important national issues. I don't want talk, I want action. I don't want promises, I want fulfillment. Senator Obama has proven nothing to this country in his extremely short tenure in public office and he has not proven that he will do so if he is made POTUS.

Posted by familyguy on May 16, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rax, here's an article for you that describes exactly what you are talking about: http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MikeGallagher/2008/05/16/racial_politics_inside_the_democratic_ranks

I know women who are voting for Hillary solely because she is a woman. I know black people who are voting for Obama solely because he is black. Why can't the Dems vote for the person who has their best interests at heart?

Ginger, it sounds like you are voting for who you perceive as the best candidate, so this does not pertain to you. But, it does sound like you are race-baiting by trying to insinuate that those of us not enthralled by Obama are only turned off by his melanin rather than his vacuous political record. Playing the race card is disingenuous and counter-productive to the "Unity" that your candidate seems to want for this country. IMHO, you do a diservice to yourself when you play that card on this site.

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 16, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't get what GingerSnapps point is. I won't vote for a pro-baby killer, no matter the color of their skin. It has nothing to do with race, which was the main topic. So what if I would vote for Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice over Hillary Clinton or John Kerry? That just means I'm not; and other Republicans, are not racist. I'm just pointing out the Liberal reasoning that you are a racist if you don't vote for Obama is flawed.

Posted by familyguy on May 16, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BHSGRAD, its the same old liberal talking point of painting Republicans as good ol' boy racists who cling to their guns and religion in times of economic hardship. In deference to Ginger, I don't believe she is only voting for Obama because he is African-American. She is voting for his Democratic policy promises. It's just unfortunate that she assumes Obama's skin color is the reason some of us would not vote for a black Democrat.

Obama is setting the stage to not allow racism to play a part in the fall campaign unless he can control the message. He can talk about race issues, but no one else can. It's actually an ingenious political move. The Obama supporters are bound to call anyone who is against their messiah... er... candidate... racist simply by their assertion that Obama should not be president. If you are against Obama you must be a racist. That is the Obamacamp battlecry for November. And the guilt-ridden caucasians will remain silent or be labeled fear-mongering bigots.

Personally, I could care less about his skin pigmentation. I would not vote for a black (or white) Democrat who is radically pro-choice, economically ignorant, wants redistribution of wealth vis a vis Socialism, wants to tax millionaires until they no longer can afford to pay, believes global warming is more important than fighting terrorism, would appoint judges to continue the debacle that is Roe, and continue supporting the erroneously instituted liberal laws that have been passed in the last 50 years.

Posted by Rax on May 16, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gingersnapp,
Please tell me that you are just some junior high student trying to be funny...... I take it from your final comment that you feel the "true reason" anyone would not want to vote for Obama is because they must be racist? How stupid and pathetic is that insinuation? Are you serious or are you just trying to keep a comedic edge on this?

Posted by Rax on May 16, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gingersnapp,
I just took a look at Obams website that you suggested we all need to visit. I was not shown anything other than the fact that he apparently wants to take away from hard working Americans who make a good living and and give even more to people who are not trying to help themselves. I am already giving 34% of my income to taxes and other things. How much are we supposed to give before you'll be happy? When are people going to be held accountable for helping themselves? You will never make me feel bad about not wanting to give more while I see people who have access to programs not using them to improve themselves. Only taking advatage of the system and living off of it. Obama, you and all of the other sheep who are eating up his false, empty, promises need to help yourselves and stop expecting others to carry you through life. THAT is why I vote Republican.

That and the fact that John McCain is white of course......

(that is what is known as sarcasm)

Posted by gladimgone on May 16, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sadly and / or realistically, racism is still alive and well. The West Virginia primary result speaks for itself. Locally, a fine writer of this very newspaper tells of his perceptions of racism on occasion.

If Mr. Obama becomes our next President, anytime a white legislator, media commentator, lobbyist group or everyday citizen says something against a policy, speech or order Obama makes, he /she will automtically be labeled a racist by the Als and Jesses of the world.

As a state senator in Illinois, his voting record was unremarkable and he initiated NO groundbreaking actions. The same is true in Washington.

To those that want to consider me racist, please do. That is your right and privilege. I prefer to think of myself as someone who desires to see government as a protector of its citizens from threats around the world, and ensuring our society continues to be based on order and laws, instead of being the Great Provider to many undeserving, unearning Takers.

Posted by gr8fan on May 16, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only racism I see in the election is the fact that Obama is getting 70-90% of the black vote in most of the states. And I would like to propose FamilyGuy for president. I am all about that "I will stop hunger, misery, violence and the common cold within four years". I hate all that stuff. You got my vote.

Posted by StJoeMoe on May 17, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama's record speaks for itself, he's done nothing ever.

He has charisma though, and he can talk a great talk.

I'n not voting for him for President, I do not think he can handle it as his record reflects nothing to make me think he could.

And I'm not really want any more tax increases, and I can see him raising them. He also seems out of touch with middle America, a middle America that is now hurting from a Democratic congress.........

Posted by gingersnapp on May 18, 2008 at 1 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh well, too bad for you all, Obama will be our next president and that will be the greatest thing to happen to America in eight years, thank goodness. Go Obama. Yes we can!!!! And if living 2/3 of a century makes me a youngster than all I can say is YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by gingersnapp on May 18, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How anybody read any racist comments in my post is beyond me. I am saying any of you who say you would not vote for Obama but would Colin Powell would not vote for a purple or green Democrat. You would not vote for a polka dotted Democrat or a white Democrat. You do not like the Democratic platform. No Dem Presidential candidate is going to have policies any different than Obama. They will all appoint progressive judges, they will all overturn tax cuts for the rich, they will all work towards universal healthcare, they are all pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro Social Security.

You just need to say I don't like Democratic policies and I will only vote for the Republican.

I am a proud Yellow-Dog Democrat Liberal and unlike you guys I am happy to admit it.

Posted by StJoeMoe on May 18, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What has Obama actually done that makes people think he can actually do anything?

That's my question, he has no record of ever getting anyting done.

And just stating some factual data is all I, simple, eh?

I voted for him over Hilary Clinton, that was an easy decision.

Posted by dondill on May 19, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama has a fantastic quality about himself. I just read that 65,000 people showed up to hear him speak in the state of Oregon. I think he can galvanize people. I think good things will happen in our country WHEN he is elected. I can't wait.

Posted by gr8fan on May 19, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Blah Blah..........Make us feel good.........galvanize America......Maybe we could get Barney to run.......or maybe we could get Richard Simmons to run...StJoeMO is correct..please state anything noteworthy besides "I will bring change and a breath of fresh air to America" that Obama has done or is doing. And regardless of what you say, the Democrats played the race card and the sex card with Obama and Billary, and its just not working. Thank god! I might get to keep a little more of my tax money. God knows the county takes enough on my house.

Posted by familyguy on May 19, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ginger, you just nailed the difference between us. You are a yellow-dog Democrat and will only vote for the Democratic nominee NO MATTER WHAT! On the other hand, I look at all aspects of the candidates and decide what's best for me, my family, my country and the world at large. I am not beholden to any one party. I proudly voted for Clinton back in the day. It just so happens that my personal moral attitudes changed and now I cannot vote Democratic due to their party platform of severe disregard for unborn and elderly human life. If the Democratic party would break free from the tyrannical hold the far-left liberals have on their party, more centrist and middle-leaning people may support their candidates.

Posted by familyguy on May 19, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

Yeah, dondill, Obama would make a great motivational speaker or pastor of a church, but not a good president of the free world. <a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AustinHill/2008/05/18/barack_obama__rockstar__motivational_speaker__president?page=1">Here's an article that describes what I'm talking about.</a>

Posted by dondill on May 19, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Familyguy -

And you think Bush was a good speaker? Ha - he couldn't even speak decently at a rotary club. Yet this speechless idiot was allowed to wreck our country.

And why not vote for a black man strictly on race? Our voting has been based on white male privilege for the last 400 years. We need something new - either a black man or woman or a white woman. It's about time don't you think!

Posted by familyguy on May 19, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dondill, if you believe our country is "wrecked", how will your messiah unwreck it for us? He can't even get a majority of DEMOCRATS to for vote for him to clinch his own party's nomination. How does he think he's going to unite the rest of the country?

Are you so blinded by hatred that you would really vote for someone just to assuage your guilty-conscience? If that's the best reason you can come up with, then this country truly is wrecked if the Big O wins in November.

Posted by Mr_America on May 19, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Familyguy has it right. It's not about who is a Republican or Democrat it's about who is better qualified to lead our country. Last time I checked this is the Show Me state and Obama hasn't shown me much. I hope everyone that has a vote will take the time to look beneath the vaneer of change and see what Obama really has to offer.

Posted by dondill on May 20, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Family Guy and Mr America -

What you two are writing is complete gopper babble. There wasn't anything that either of you said of any consequence. Just word piled upon word. Your GOP name brand stinks. Your leader is at 28%. Even one of your own gop'ers said that if the GOP was a brand of dog food, it would be taken off the shelves. Let the scales fall from your eyes. You are not trying very hard to see. Open your eyes and LOOK. Look on the "internets" and you can see what Obama is all about. You will see that people want change. The GOP has expired. We want change.

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 20, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What kind of change will he bring and how will he do it?

Posted by dondill on May 20, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again - READ MY LIPS . . .reference the "internets." You can get on the internet if you really want to know what is going on politically and what Obama's plans are. You can listen to Obama's speeches and get plenty of details about his stance on issues. Quit asking the question about what he is planning to do if you won't lift a finger to find out for yourself. What does Obama have to do . . .come knocking on your door personally and give you a private speech?

Posted by familyguy on May 20, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dondill, your Democratically-controlled Congress is at 18.7% approval rating, so what does that say about the Donkey brand?

In the immortal words of Melvin Udall, "Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here." : )

Posted by familyguy on May 20, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speeches aren't actions. Obama can talk all he wants, but he has no history of following through on anything he has stated. He can promise the world and his followers eat it up without question. He's a one-term Senator with a very small voting record and no background that tells us that he is capable of leading this country. He's a charismatic speaker, but that does not mean he understands the nuances of foreign policy or economic stimulus. How can we trust the country to a man with no public record other than being the most liberal person in the Senate today?

I ask again, how is he going to unite this country when he can't even unite the Democratic party behind him?

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 20, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I want to hear from you what he is going to do. This is your guy you are backing.

Posted by scrubnurse on May 20, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How long has it been since the Democratic Congress took over the House?? It is going to take YEARS to clean up the mess that was left for them! Even when Obama is elected Pesident his term in office won't be long enough to undo the damage we have suffered under BOOSH and his cronies!!

To dondill.....You might as well quit beating your head against whe wall arguing with these guys........they are so far to the right that if the earth was square they would fall off of it!!!!

Posted by Mr_America on May 20, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I find it interesting how looking at hard facts and making a well informed and educated decision puts one on the far right. Maybe there needs to be some sort of mental apptitude test before being allowed to vote. I guess it would be a pretty short test.

Example:

1) Are you a Democrat? Yes __ No __

Posted by familyguy on May 20, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love how the Obama supporters are already preparing themselves for the inability of Obama to "Unite" all of us and instill "Change" in this country. The goal is to blame Dubya and the Republicans for the next four years so the potential Dem president doesn't have to take any responsibility for not doing what they promised. Classic!

Posted by FiredUp on May 20, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Boy, if this isn't a big pile 'o stupid! Familyguy, you think that the Democratic goal is to blame Dumya and the GOP for the next four years? Ha - ALL Americans, both DEM and GOP, plus historians will all be blaming this imperial presidency for decades to come! George the Second will most undoubtedly go down as one of the worst, if not THE worst, presidents in America's history. Get real!

Plus, any simpleton can figure out why Congress has low approval ratings - Congress is not able to get anything done, because the GOP has stymied, stalled and filibusterd every attempt the DEMs have made. Then of course, we all know that the Chimp will veto anyway. Don't forget his 'signing papers', either.

But don't you fret, as the Democratic pick ups this fall in both the House and Senate will take care of that!

BHSGRAD, any president taking over after this travesty will have their work cut out for them. The first task might be grabbing a shovel and scooping out all the muck left over from this stinking 8 year rule. If that is Obama's plan, it's good enough for me and he gets my vote.

Posted by dondill on May 21, 2008 at 1:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on Fired Up!

Posted by gr8fan on May 21, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One simple question has been asked a number of times on here with no response thus far.....BHS asks, "What kind of change will he bring and how will he do it?. Come on geniuses, win us over with better rhetoric than, " the GOP and Bush have ruined America". Convince us, makes us see the light! Show us any indication that Obama will bring us something, besides "change". Gives us facts. What has he brought to America thus far besides talk. Nothing! We know what he will bring....Higher taxes and more social programs that will bleed more tax dollars from the hard working American. Be careful what you ask for liberals.....the last time we had a "real" Democrat as the president (Clinton doesn't count since congress was Republican controlled at the time and he was a middle-of-the-road conservative, liberal for no better term) interest was at 20% and inflation was in the double digits, unemployment was at record highs......Thanks Carter......Oh for the good ole days!

Posted by BHSGRAD on May 21, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think these post show what the country is heading for if Obama is elected. It will another 8 years of being a divided nation. I'm not going to sit here and say Obama is wrong on every stance he makes. I actually agree with him rather then McCain regarding the gas tax issue. McCain is a moderate conservative and has a much better chance of uniting the country then Obama does in my opinion and this is coming from a far right conservative. He has a history of reaching out to democrats across the isle and has even mentioned he would put democrats in his cabinet if they are the best person for that job. While I don't agree with him on every issue, if you want unity vote McCain, if you want 4 more years of a divided country Obama is your guy.

Posted by gopguy on May 21, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FiredUp? I am glad to see that 'Howard Beale', or should I say Roy Temple, has decided to join this discussion.

Posted by familyguy on May 21, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW! FiredUp is really fired up! Again, with the "it will take YEARS to get us out of this hole" meme. Why can't Obama provide the "Change" and "Unity" he keeps promising the day he takes office? Don't you believe in your savior? Why set him up for failure before he even wins? Or, do you realize that his promises are empty and his words are meaningless like the rest of us have come to realize? Interesting...

I love how the libs like to call the President of the United States "Chimpy" and "McBush-itler" and various other intolerant and childish names. That's the leftie liberal base for ya. Deflection and name-calling to try and force others to agree with their beliefs. It's actually quite entertaining... if it wasn't so sad.

I choose to remain mature and adult and simply state again that Senator Barack Hussein Obama is an empty suit and a peddler of easily digestible sound-bytes that his followers eat up without question. If the far-left libs could move past the extreme vitriol clouding their judgement they would see that they have a flawed candidate. Erroneous anger and resentment toward the current POTUS are not a reason to vote for a flawed candidate in my book. The country will deserve whatever it gets if the libbie left is able to push their vacuous candidate into the White House.

Posted by scrubnurse on May 21, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

familyguy: I don't think anybody is setting Obama up for failure..... It doesn't matter WHO is elected to be our next President they won't be able to straighten out the mess Dubya and Company have left in a four or even eight year term.

Posted by Mr_America on May 22, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Are we to believe that the country was all fine and dandy when Bush took office? I don't think W is the root of all that is wrong with this country.

Posted by scrubnurse on May 22, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe not the root........but for sure the fertilizer!!! Mr. America ....you cannot argue that the economy was in a hell of alot better shape when he took over! Remember we had a surplus not a deficit?

Posted by bcpeartree on May 22, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No Specifics ? ? ?

Try this one out folks:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Sixty pages of positions and specific plans on the economy, health care, foreign policy, immigration and more.

Just because the blowhards on TV tell you he has no plan does not make it true. Change means nothing without concrete plans to bring about change.

Obama has worked hard to defeat the Clintons - from now until Nov. 4th he will put "meat on the bones" of the promises of change he has been talking about.

Posted by Sam on May 23, 2008 at 3:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been watching this thread for a few days staying off to the sidelines because most of the time, nobody will change anyone else's mind. But a couple of facts are in order for these dyed-in-the-wool Bush backers:
The bulk of the nine-trillion dollar debt this nation has was created by Reagan, Bush and Bush. Check it at http://zfacts.com/p/480.html
There was never a link to Saddam Hussein related to the 9/11 horror. The terrorists were Arabs, the same people that Bush was holding hands with last week. Our young people are dying daily in a country that we had no cause to invade. Hussein = bad man? Absolutely, just as were/are the dictators in various African and Asian countries. But we did not have a personal grudge to settle or significant oil to gain from those places.
Myanmar has suffered huge losses due to the cyclone. The world aid that has been sent is not reaching the needy due to corrupt government officials, but does the US do anything? No. It takes the French - who many Americans belittle for refusing to become part of the Iraq war - to raise a resolution to ensure that supplies are delivered to where they are needed "by any means necessary". That's a war worth fighting, in my opinion. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/23/news/UN-GEN-UN-Myanmar.php
Odd, isn't it, bcpeartree, dondill, Firedup, scrubnurse that when Mr. peartree brings forth the hard copy proposal of Obama's plans on May 22 for Familyguy and the others, not a peep arises from any of them. I've actually not made my mind up on which of the three cadidates should be the next president. McCain is not Bush by any stretch, but his war policy is leaning the wrong way for my taste. Hillary? I'm not sure I like this dynasty stuff of Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton, either. But until Mr. peartree sent this link, I too was still concerned about not having any hard evidence about Obama's plans. This will be a big help.

Posted by janiepoo on May 27, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam - Thank you very much for that incredible and very true post! Keep it up.

Posted by familyguy on May 27, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, I take some time off to enjoy the long weekend with my family and that means that bcpeartree was so impressive with his link that I was dumbfounded and incapable of response? PUH-lease! :)

I read the link. Not that impressed. Many of the "Obama's Record" bullets were legislation that Obama introduced but could not get passed. There were very few memorable pieces of legislation that stood out. Actually, there was NO memorable legislation. I'm sure he put his name on a few bills, but there was nothing of merit that got passed in his ONE TERM as a U.S. Senator. Yawn.

Obama can promise the world, but until he can show that he is capable of backing it up with action, he is simply a motivational speaker. Obama's history does not show he is capable of backing anything up other than the ultra-liberal agenda. That agenda alone makes him unworthy to be POTUS.

BTW, if you make an unbelievably clever retort to this comment, it may be a few days before I respond (if it deserves a response). I do have a life.

Posted by gr8fan on May 27, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam,
If there was oil to be gained by invading Iraq, where the heck is it? I am sick and tired of hearing that as a motive for war with absolutely nothing to back it up. Maybe we should be taking Iraq over and taking all of the oil, and then we wouldn't be paying soon-to-be $4.00/gallon for gas. And anyone who doesn't see or couldn't have seen Saddam as a threat, must think the devil is the guy in the red suit around Christmas time. The guy killed 100,000s of his own people with malice and gross neglect. With the threat of "weapons of mass destruction" present, when will you bleeding heart liberals admit that there was probable cause to believe this mass murderer could have had the capability to destroy the good ole USA. All of your leaders (of the demorats) deny approving the war, but watch this video for the truth.

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

you will be absolutely amazed what hypocrites you have leading the way. Maybe the truth will set you free...Nah, you'll just come up with some other way to blame everything on Bush.

Posted by dondill on May 29, 2008 at 6:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam - I wonder what the warmongers will be spouting and spinning now that Scott McClellen has spilled the beans on the lies and propoganda that Bush & Co. used to sell the Iraq war. Scott McClellen was a true insider and he probably couldn't stomach these lies anymore. Couldn't live with himself. Here we have a man who is not a bleeding heart liberal telling it like it is about the unnecessary war, the Valerie Plame case, Saddam having no connection to al Quaida etc, etc, etc. The inside information he is providing shows what a travesty the Bush administration has been. He had to tell the truth, so it could set him free.

Posted by gr8fan on May 29, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dondill,
Come on, another disgruntled employee who didn't get his way and you're hanging your hat on that? I don't imagine the fact that he is all over the place trying to promote his book that will no doubt get him millions of dollars is any additional incentive to make his idiotic statements. You notice you never hear a peep out of these guys when they are in their positions. Remember "your guys" supported this war. Or did you not watch the hyperlink on my last entry. See above at:

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

if you missed it. Nice try!

Posted by familyguy on May 29, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If GWB is not careful, he stands little chance of winning re-election.

Oh... wait...

McClellan is hawking a book. Do you think you would have bought it if it defended what he had been saying while he was in the WH? He knows the only way to sell his story is to get liberals and conservatives, Dems and Repubs to shell out the dough. He'll make a fortune doing the news and entertainment circuit. This is old news.

Let's stay focused on the fact that your current candidate is showing his yellow side by not going to Iraq with McCain to talk to the people on the ground. Obama would rather get his talking points from Huffington or KOS instead of the men and women he supposedly wants to lead as POTUS. Pathetic.

Posted by janiepoo on May 29, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Talk about pathetic! You can't possibly believe the lies that were told to get us into this phony war. You know you don't, you're just pretending. You just can't quit that coke-snorting, drunk-driving, draft-dodging pathetic president of yours.

Posted by dondill on May 29, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Being able to say "I told you so" about the Iraq war brings no satisfaction to me whatsoever.

Posted by familyguy on May 30, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) is alive and well in St. Joseph. I recommend you up the meds and afix your tinfoil hat ... it negates the effects of the chemtrails and the little black helicopters.

Posted by dondill on May 30, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You call it Bush Derangment Syndrome; I call it sanity.

Posted by FiredUp on May 30, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am mulling over some previous comments by familyguy. Just a quick perusal of all of St.Joe's online outlets will reveal familyguy to be a constant and persistant poster. He also claims to write many letters to the editor. I am not sure you really do have a 'life' as you so imperiously insist.

Are you sure you're not living in mommie's basement, with YOUR tinfoil hat rolled to a tiny point on top?

Posted by familyguy on May 30, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL! It's so easy to get you people FiredUp. I imperiously state that you should all have a great weekend! I need to clean up this basement. : )

Posted by dondill on May 30, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with FiredUp. There is something funny about familyguy and his constant and persistent postings. I wonder if he can be such a good family guy if he is spending all of his time posting. Maybe he doesn't have a real job. What kind of a family guy is that? Maybe he works at his dead Mommie's Bates Motel.

Posted by gr8fan on June 1, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry guys, but personal attacks on familyguy doesn't justify your weak comments and arguments. A good offense doesn't really make up for a weak defense, so stick to the facts and cut out the personal attacks. You all are on here as much as he is. And Janiepoo, coke snorting, huh? You must have pulled that out of the same place you get most of your other weak information. And how come no comments on my previous post with the hyperlink showing how ridiculous your stance is that the liberals didn't support the war. Just can't hide that one can we, guys!

Posted by familyguy on June 2, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, I wish I had a job so I could stop posting on SJNP.com! But, then how would I keep in touch with my good friend dondill who has as many posts online as me? Oh, the decision I have before me... get a real job/life or keep posting as much as dondill? Decisions, decisions...

I just can't decide. I think I'd miss dondill's clever repartee and well-thought-out responses too much to stop posting and get a real life/job.

I guess you and I are stuck together, dondill. Let's see how many more posts we can get together. I'm goin' fer 100! Meet ya there! YEE-HAW!!


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