If we wanted a volunteer ambulance service we would have one. EMPLOYEES being PAID to be at work should be AT WORK. I'm beginning to question Ms. Groce's commitment to providing the very best service possible to our community. Who is Ms. Groce accountable to? From the sounds of things, an audit is probably necessary.

I agree Tiger02! I thought "seconds count" in regard to emergency medical situations. Apparently that has changed in recent history. It doesn't matter if you meet or exceed national avg's. If you can shorten your response time in any way to a sick or injured person, I believe you should. I'm sure there are very accomadating quarters for everyone else who doesn't qualify for the "work from home program" that could be utilized. I don't believe this is an unreasonable request. I only wish I could have personally attended this meeting. Does anyone know when the next will be?

IF they are at home, they are paid NEXT TO NOTHING! Not even close to minimum wages! If you WANT a FULL TIME in house ambulance crew, be prepared for a TAX increase to cover the extra pay that Vicki will have to come up with!!

The general public has no idea what Vicki goes through, to keep a district in operation!

Look at the text above, looks like she is in check with the state issues, and that is all that matters!!

I thought that Andrew county had a full time ambulance service. I know a few medics that have worked for andrew county and I don't recall them getting to go home while on duty. If your going to let your crews go home, you might as well save the tax payers money and become a volunteer service.

Andrew county has some very dedicated medics. It would be a injustice to the taxpayers to not have the best and most responsive care they deserve.

missouri-mule, Ms. Groce being "in check with state issues" is not " all that matters". The overwhelming voice of concern by tax-paying citizens should be considered a priority matter, however I fear that it is not. I was also under the impression that we had a full-time in house ambulance crew. Have we been misinformed or just lied to?

Tiger02 lied to is one way to put it. There is a full time crew all the time if you don't live in Savannah, because they don't get to go home at night. Now the SELECT FEW are the chosen ones who get better pay, get to go home,and serveral other benefits, that the part time do not receive.because they live in town and are at her beckon call.

Concerned_citizen, I am under the impression that all employees there have privledges. For instance, there are many employees who get their hair cut while on duty (not at the station but at the barber shop), take walks or go for a run (on foot-slow response time if needed for a call), run personal errands in their own vehicle, go sit at the ACSD for hours upon in (at night) and so on. So there are not a SELECT FEW it is everyone. All of this applies to full time and part-time employees. And I believe everyone there gets the pay they deserve for the job they do. If part-timers feel they have no priledges maybe they need to think twice since they are the only employees that pick the days they work and then the full time fill in the empty days. I feel the ones that live in Savannah have the worst end of the deal, because they are the ones that get called in on their days off to run calls in the middle of the night or anytime of day and the ones that cover shifts that people call in for. It seems obvious the majority of the people commenting are trying to use this forum to mask the fact that they are the disgruntled employees trying to create the appearance that they are uninvolved parties and cause more controversy.

I worked at andrew co a few years ago. Some of the same people with complaints also took advantage of the privleges. Firemen medics and EMT's who work 2 jobs coming to
Andrew co and sleeping there for long periods during the day and night. Some complaining if they were sent out during the night. Some slow to get going even though they were "in house". Most of the time they did not cover when there were call ins for sick etc. It was the "in town" people who would cover in these instances. There is no perfect place to work. I believe I have heard Heartland and St Joe fire has its problems too. I also understand the concern for response time, retirement plan, retention of employees, and fair treatment. I do believe there is more to this story than has come forth at this time. I also believe that this kind of exposure damages the District, citizens and employees.

Since both of my posted were removed i can only assume it was because they were truthful. I forgot to realize that the only thing that is in the news or can be considered news worthy is negativity, and false information. So i just want to apologize that i stated the obvious and was truthful and it is not worthy of the media. However i will be starting a blog that is not controlled or moderated by left winged democrats.

I live and worked for EMS in the state of Kansas for many years and while working for the service of the town that I resided, not once did I get to go home and sleep. I lived 1.5 miles from the station and still was away from my family for the shift. Why? Because it was my job, not my hobby, not a job that you can just do what you please. Because unlike what is happening there in Andrew County, the service that I worked for made it clear that we be in station or near our rig for the shift. AND yes we did take walks around the area but made sure we within running distance of the rig. AND yes we ate out but the rig was running and we were willing to throw the money down and run on a call. It is called dedication. It is not something that I, nor my co-workers took lightly. If you want to go home and sleep in your beds at night, then get into another profession. I did and now I sleep in my bed ever night. And that my friends is my2cents!

Understandable my2cents. However where you worked was where you worked. Policies, and protocols are in place for a reason, they differ from operation to operation based on needs of that particular service. The reason people get to go home in the evening is because of their dedication to their profession and community. I understand people don't agree with it. That's fine. However those people that do go home do so because they are also here on their days off. When the on duty crews are running calls and another 911 call comes in, the in town personnel come in, instead of mutual aid that inevitably delays patient care, So whats going to happen is the in town people will lose this privilege and there will no longer be available personnel when those busy periods happen. Therefore we will have to rely on the mutual aid of other ambulance services to drive further and take longer to get to a patient. And that's if the service we will be going to even has an ambulance available to respond to the call. Let me be straight up, we don't do this to want to look bad, or get over on tax payers, or to be lazy and just do what we want, we do this to have the added benefit of having personnel constantly available to the county citizens.

After reading the news story and various comments, I have to ask if the writer with the highest (and most vehement)number of comments is one of the employees who's been allowed to work from home.

As to why someone's comments keep getting removed, I doubt it has so much to do with the political leanings of the News-Press, as it does with someone violating the rules written above concerning the posting of comments.

In my opinion, it sounds like someone has once again shown that they do not feel they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else....

If you're paid to work, be at work.

Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. I would agree that a couple of my posts could be deemed as breaking the rules. However line 1 above does say "These comments are a means for our readers to voice their opinion on local issues in and around the St. Joseph area". So i am doing so. Now with that said. Aside from the first truths regarding John, Todd,and Dougie, oh and cant forget my buddy Mr. Ed. There have been posts i have made that where ment to be educational, containing FACTUAL INFORMATION. Never were there any derogatory statements or comments. I also don't believe it has anything to do politically but it is fact that the newspaper is a supporter of the Democratic party. Now with that being said. I do not live in Savannah, but real close. I am not an employee that goes home. Thats what makes me unique. Why am i in favor of this then? Because it suits the OPERATIONAL NEEDS. Look it up smart guy. There is a reason we do it. Like Ive said, not to look bad, not to get over on tax payers.

It sounds to me like someone is suspicious,feeling persecuted against, and that these comments are part of a grand plot.

Wait, I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah, it's Paranoid!!!! (Gee, I know a definition, maybe I am a smart guy.)

Judging from the article, it sounds as if this situation has been building for quite a while. Which causes me to question the type of leadership that is currently being exhibited at Andrew County Ambulance District. Is it because instead of attempting to find a solution to what employees feel is a problem, someone decided to use high-handed leadership tactics (Attila the Hun, Captain Bligh, etc. come to mind.).

As for Mr. Chrisman, I have never met the man, but I say congratulations to him. I am glad to see that there is one member of the Andrew County Ambulance District Board who is not merely a, "place-holder," or, "Rubber-stamp." It is the board's responsibility to the people of Andrew County to ensure that the BEST quality care is provided to its tax-payers. If it is improper to ask questions, why do they have a board? Oh yeah, it's because they're required to under RSMo. 190.050......

Ms. Groce deserves credit. She worked to build Andrew County Ambulance district from its inception. What is interesting is that Mr. Greer and several of the other employees who are now voicing concerns were right there, beside her. Having said that, I think what the board and public needs to ask is if it may not be time to find new leadership.

This issue has come about because 3 part-time employees are disgruntled do to a 401k plan. The other issue with in town employees going home is merely a tool to try and fuel support. So with that being said, these special part-timers are misleading the public into thinking that there is an issue when in fact there isn't. Read my above post essentially spelling out 2 real scenarios. Our response times or out of the gate times are the exact same. Now i have also yet to hear any valid reason that our leadership needs a change. I have had that displeasure of running on calls with Mr. Greer. If that's who you are stating should run this place, I would say good-bye ACAD. Mr. Greer needs a refresher, possibly an entire new medics license. The guy cannot perform sound medical care. I don't care how long hes been here, or how long hes been a medic. That doesn't make him a good medic. I would also say he needs to refresh his clinical skills in regards to medications. Which medication to use in which circumstances. Just a thought. There is a reason that Dougs termination could not be talked about in the meeting, or Vicki being able to defend herself regarding his termination. Disciplinary action including termination and reasons for such are not allowed to be talked about publicly. Therefore Doug, John, and Todd could say whatever they want and not have to worry about a response as to why. Doug failed to say why he was terminated because it was written in the letter that was sent to him,,, hmmmm i wonder why he didn't bring that up when he gave his sob story in the meeting. Point blank Doug, you're not a good employee, you need to refresh your medic skills, and you were terminated for extremely valuable reasons. As far as leadership replacement, what leg does anyone have to stand on to say Vicki needs to be gone? Because someone has dedicated themselves to this county for over 20 years, and has created something so substantial? This county wouldn't have a service of this magnitude if it wasn't for her. So to say ok Vicki i dont like you because there are issues with the 401k you need to be replaced? Roflmao i think you need to check yourself. Quite frankly you sound dumb.

Well just to make things clear I am not a current medic that lives in Savannah. But I was an employee of ACAD that did live in town and I also had the priveledge of going home some years ago. There was never any issues about going home then. So why is there on now? I am also very aware of the procedure of getting notified of a call. SO ggggggg if you have been employed or are curently employed by ACAD then you know your statement about that is WRONG. Quitwhining summed all that up for you if you have forgotten or have been given the wrong info. Quitwhining also summed up the comment made about which run reports are reviewed by the state and I have to agree DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Also gggggg you mentioned something about someone not answering their phone for a call and no discipline was done. My question for that is...Are you supposed to know about disciplinary action taken against another employee? I am positive that is confidential. I am also questioning you about commenting that Ms. Groce was affraid of Doug taking her job. How do you know that? Did Ms. Groce say that? Well the answer is NO. So unless she said that then you have no right saying she did...oh yeah thats called a lie, just like most of your entry is a lie. The only truth to your entry is that people that live in town to go home. There have been many comments on that if you are paid to be working than you should be a work. Well I am sure everyone commenting is in either EMS or the healthcare field, so I am also sure that most of you are aware of people working in healthcare that are paid to go home because they are on call and those people go home to be with there families and have to respond within a certain amount of time when called in. So whats the difference? It is sad to say that most if not all these comments on here are made by healthcare professionals and they think speaking negatively on a news paper forum is appropriate behavior, yes I am commenting because I feel there should be facts stated instead of lies. I wonder as I read this if everyone telling the lies is like this to their patients. I would hate to be or have a family member lied to about their health. I am sure someone will respond to this with negativity but I don't care because I will continue to respond with the positive side of everything. I no longer work at ACAD and I chose not to work there for personal reasons, my time spent there I have never seen such negativity towards the district and the employees.

An audit is needed. Back when I was 15, Vicki took myself and her daughter shopping MANY TIMES to St. Joseph, in the District Emergency Vehicle. Back then I didnt think anything of it, but today as I have matured into an adult, I know that it is wrong. Another instance I had with Vicki was my son was choking, I called Vicki as she was a 1st responder, and she told me, (Quoting) Im too busy, you need to call Heartland ambulance. Not good!!! I, as a taxpayer of Savannah, demand a Audit. Using a company vehicle to do personnel things while (we) pay the fuel and taxes and ect. Audit audit audit!!! Let the truth come out! concerned citizen of savannah!

Winstoncup, wow that name tells me everything i need to know about the kind of person you are. The name and your statements already show your education level. Again this is blatant coming up with false accusations. I have yet to hear one pertinent or true accusation. When are any of you people commenting going to come up with something real? So because 2 months ago when you were 15 you supposedly went shopping? Where the grocery store down the street? Do you have any proof that Vicki did this with you, or told you to call Heartland that she is too busy? Seriously. Where do you come up with this. Considering Vicki isn't a dispatcher. Show a bill that heartland transported your son. File a grievance so that the call can be looked at. If in fact Heartland was sent it would be due to us being busy, and having to mutual aid the call. Come on big guy, bring it to the table. I bet you wont. I bet you are a liar, just trying to look cool and stir the pot. We can trace the call, pull tapes, and find out what really happened. Until you can properly provide any proof or evidence you in my opinion are full of it. Oh and for the record an audit is going to happen. It has been talked about at board meetings. Maybe not the 15-30,000 dollar audit that your thinking about. But yes a CPA audit is in the plans... So there you go- Audit audit audit. But either you don't attend board meetings, or your just another reject trying to be cool.

Quitwhining,
Why would you demean someone merely because of the screen name they chose? What on EARTH could you POSSIBLY glean from a "screen name" that would give you insight into a person's psyche?
I don't even live in Savannah. I rarely drive through there. However, I have family that live within the ambulance district that's covered in this issue. I'd like to point out that while I can appreciate your loyalty to Ms. Groce, and to the ambulance district leadership, your passion is misplaced. If even one person is medically affected in a negative way because of these lax work rules, it could have far-reaching, terrible repercussions. I can't understand why there is so much opposition to an audit. If Ms. Groce is doing everything correctly, and by the book, she has nothing to fear. If Mr. Greer has a valid complaint regarding his termination, that will come out in the audit. If he is, as you say, a bad employee and a bad medic, that, too, will emerge.
Methinks you protest too much......

The day my 5 year old son was choking from an object lodged in his throat, we rushed him to the ambulance building. By the time we arrived there, 2 minutes at tops, his lips were turning blue. The only person there was the dispatcher, and she immediately checked his Pulse-Ox and it was 89%. She called Vicki. 2 ambulances were at Jesse James Mall handing out gun safety locks. Vicki's where abouts were not know. Vicki told her they were too busy and to call Heartland. The dispatcher did and the Heartland ambulance was there very quickly. At that time they transported him from (Savannah Ambulance Building) to Heartland Hospital ER. The dispatcher is just a dispatcher, she didnt help as she didnt know what to do. I Have my Proof. Documentation..Dates...Times...Bills...And by the way,I am 52 years young, and I happen to enjoy nascar. Im not whining so mabye you,(Quitwhining) should suck it and and come to reality as someone actually does have documentation. My day will come soon.

ggggg, uncalled for . and irresponsible . shame on you ! This is getting ridiculous ! I suppose you are a perfect person in all ways. God help you.

So WinstonCup, Why are you just now comming out about it? Wouldnt it be a good idea to have done something about it when this supposedly occurred? If it was my 5 year old son and someone tells me they wont be doing anything about it, then hell would be brought upon this earth. I am not demeaning your son or the incident that allegedly happened. I am doubting your judgment to not file any grievances soon after your son received the care he needed. So therefore I would have to say that i cannot accept your current opposition regarding this service and will still stick up for my previous comments. You say you have the documentation to support this. THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND GET OFF THE FORUMS

For the record i am not opposing an audit. I am saying that there is already an audit that will be taking place in the near future. I am however opposing an audit that will cost 15-30,000 dollars.

WinstonCup and everyone good and bad reading these forums. I would like to now prove my point regarding this entire issue or issues. Winston here is your post from earlier: winstoncup August 21, 2009 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal) An audit is needed. Back when I was 15, Vicki took myself and her daughter shopping MANY TIMES to St. Joseph, in the District Emergency Vehicle. Back then I didnt think anything of it, but today as I have matured into an adult,---Now here is from your second post: winstoncup August 21, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal And by the way,I am 52 years young. Sir/maam i will now have to discredit you and any allegation you have. Likewise i encourage everyone who is reading this to do the same. This stops now! Winston 52-15=37. So youre saying 37 years ago before the district even existed you were shopping with Vicki who is younger than you, in a district vehicle that didnt exist when you were 15? As well as when you were 15 and Vicki was negative 8 years old, you where shopping with her and her daughter? Sir/Maam enough of the lies. You are full of it. You are a liar, and have no common sense. I for a little while gave you an extremely small benefit of the doubt. However that is completely gone. You are now going to be inducted to the Hall of Famously Dumb. If i didnt know any better you sound like our idiot Board Member Mr. Ed. I would also like to add that since i have now uncovered the idiotness amongst us i will be making this my last post. However i will be still watching this, and commenting/defending the district as i deem necessary. I encourage anyone with any legitimate complaint that has proof to prove it!!! If you dont have proof then i consider you incompetent. Enjoy yourselves and have a quality evening!!!

who are you quitwhining to tell everyone here that this stops now? are you god? NO ...did you graduate grade school and learn math? I dont think so. I believe you are the incompetent one. Look into the mirror when you call someone names, you might just see YOURSELF LOOKING BACK AT YA. or mabye me peeking at ya.:-) Have a splendid night whinner..

Winstoncup...I would have to agree with quitwhining about the time line on your age now and that you said when you were 15 you went shopping in the district vehicle with Vicki and her daughter, funny thing is that was 37 years ago and the district wasn't even there yet and her daughter wasn't even born yet. Also the claims you have on the ambulance being to busy for your son that is choking seems highly unlikely due to the fact that you claim both ambulances were handing out gun safety locks at jesses mall. One thing I know for sure is that the police dept hands out gun safety locks and if there is a PR event that the ambulances are at the ambulance would leave the event becasue of course EMERGENCIES come first. Also if you had a child turing blue from choking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it would take ATLEAST 10 min for Heartland Ambulance to arrive (if they had a rig that wasn't busy and it was near county line road on 71hwy) so by the time that ambulance arrived I believe your child would be in cardiac arrest. I know that there are MANY 1st responders in Savannah that would have been called (if the ACAD ambulances were out on other calls-which would be the only reason an ACAD ambulance was unable to respond). I am also very aware that the ACAD dispatchers do not have a pulse ox at the dispatch desk. Also ACAD dispatchers are not JUST dispatchers the are trained in CPR and first aid they are very aware of what to do if someone is choking. I understand that you are upset so maybe if you have all the evidence to prove this then you should take it to the board of directors. That way you can get your answers you need.

Are all of you 12 year old?? This is the most ridiculous thread I've seen. Too many juvinile attitudes and self-serving, stupid, ignorant remarks toward each other!! I feel like I'm back in junior high, reading yearbook entries!!

Pops, no we aren't 12 years old. It is a shame that this has come down to this. I don't disagree with you. They say the good guys typically take the high road. Under normal circumstances i would have. However we the good guys don't really have the opportunity to defend ourselves. This is a public forum, anyone who reads this could be anywhere in the world. I am only trying to get rid of the childish people that are creating the havoc that they have. The district as well as personal lives have been attacked and ridiculed for no reason. I felt the need to go on a campaign to discredit those handful of individuals and including a rogue board member. As i stated above that was going to be my last post. I feel that i have done what i needed to do to attempt to restore dignity to the service. I know my method and words don't necessarily support my purpose. It does seem this thread is finally slowing down with the negativity and idiotic accusations. I can only hope that if there are people on the outside looking in who are just on the " spectator side" realize the attempt those above mentioned persons had at dis-em-bowling our great system in an immature, and ridiculous fashion. During a board meeting the district board is extremely limited on what they can say when it comes to justifying actions taken against employees. I will state again that Vicki Groce is not just letting the 401k issue go by the wayside. As she stated she cannot just dump the plan we aren't even supposed to be in. It was a journey undertaken by her and the district merely as a benefit to employees. There is no law that requires there to even be a 401k in the first place. Its merely a fringe benefit. So she invited a 401k company to come and present us with what they had to offer. Little did we know it was the wrong plan, and quite frankly the wrong company to deal with since they aren't willing to fix the issues that they created. I say again, she is working on fixing the issues, it has been publicly stated, so give it some time. If anyone or any entity should be attacked and ridiculed it should be Great West for not showing up to meetings that they have been invited to repeatedly to help us fix these issues. Vicki cant even get them to help her on the phone. They have completely put the district on the back burner and wont do anything to help resolve their mistakes.

I'm an "outsider", if you will. I don't live in Andrew County, or in Savannah. However, as I said before, I have family that live in the county. It alarms me if even a little of the information is true.
Quit....I'm curious why you feel it's your job to defend the ambulance service personnel? I also would like to know why you feel the "good guys" are the ones being accused and the "bad guys" are the accusers? Can't you see that's merely your personal perspective. No one expects someone to just throw up their hands and say "OK....you caught me. I've been a bad person." Most people, you and in included, if caught doing something we shouldn't, would at least make an attempt to justify ourselves and our actions....especially if we really didn't feel we were doing anything wrong.
What I find interesting is that instead of the service folks defending themselves (unless you, of course, ARE that person), they are strangely silent. Sure, you poked some holes in the opposition's story. That's troublesome to me, too. I would be VERY troubled if it eventually comes out that the allegations against Ms. Groce and the ambulance district are unfounded, and outright lies. That would bother me as much as if Ms. Groce and the ambulance district leadership is guilty of all the things of which they've been accused.
What I KNOW is this....there is usually a little truth on both sides, with the real truth lying somewhere more toward the center. That tells me that while some of the allegations are inflated and even somewhat untrue, it's very possible that Ms. Groce hasn't always used the best judgement when making decisions or in using the district assets.
Perhaps the outside audit is the BEST way to find the truth....and to solve the problem. You, yourself, my be surprised at the outcome....

just letting everyone know that galen higdon is having a retirement party tonight fop, 6:30. bradley's refused to print anything about it, aren't they awesome? so, i am posting it on every article they have online!
thanks!

Understandable. I don't have all the answers. I am only answering allegations that i know i have the correct information to do so. The last 2 board meetings have had the Audit talks. The board has said there is going to be an audit. Ed Christman is continuing this campaign for a state audit that will cost the tax payers up to 30,000 dollars. His reason for the audit coming from his mouth and i quote " because i am curious about run times". Ok fine there has already been an investigation by the State Bureau of Emergency Medical Services into run times. As far as an audit concerning financial records. There is already to be an audit by a CPA- Certified Public Accountant. And will not cost upwards of 30,000 dollars. So essentially Ed is petitioning the citizens " within his own right to do so" for the same kind of audit but only to be done by the state auditors office at an exuberant fee. It doesn't make sense. Why pay for an audit when there is already going to be an audit that wont cost the tax payers nearly the money it will if the petitioned audit happens. Hope that makes sense. So if people are worried about money handling issues, it will be found out in either audit. Except now the tax payers have a 30,000 dollar answer. I am not only defending the district, its employees, but also the tax payers. Hope i answered your questions, if not please let me know.

Quitwhining,I am not one of your disgruntled employees,but merely a now very concerned Andrew county citizen. I cannot believe your arrogancy and downright rude posts to possibly the customers/citizens of the vital service you oversee. I'm dissapointed in you and the board of directors. When an ambulance district is run correctly you answer to the board and the board answers to the citizens. You apparantly do as you please with no regard for the best-interest of us citizens. The current and past board members have lacked the knowledge and interest in the operations of a successful ambulance district. I'm sure this will only continue since there is no term limit for board members. Coincidently, this works in your favor! Unfortunately for the citizens of Andrew County YOU WIN. We will have to live with a sub-standard ambulance service run by careless, misinformed people. There is nothing the tax-payers can do. ( Castro wins)

Let me set something straight. Im going to be nice only because im very worn out from this. The only thing i feel i need to say is. WOW- Our ambulance service is being compared to a Communist Leader? Holy crap are you an idiot. Oh wait sorry i need to be nice. Now let me set it straight- I am not a Director, nor am i a manager. I have completely acted on my own. I am completely on the tax-payers side. Only because 4-5 tax payers who are associated with the above mentioned disgruntled employees have a problem with what im saying doesn't mean that i cant stick up for the district and its tax payers. I will not sit on the side-line and allow our stupid board member Mr. Ed or the 2 current disgruntled part-time employees who typically only work 1 shift a month and the 1 ex employee burn down this service. Do you guys realize that this was all about a 401k plan? That was what this was all about... Did you not listen at the board meeting. So they are inflaming little problems and trying to make them seem as if it were a tax-payers problem. One last thing. This audit that our idiot board member Mr. Ed wants costs 30,000 dollars. Done by a state CPA. Which is the same kind of CPA that would do the audit that doesn't cost that much. Only difference is the state auditor went into politics and was elected to run stuff. No difference in credentials. Now since we may be using 30,000 tax-payer dollars to pay for this audit, that seriously puts us at risk of not being able to buy a new ambulance or any other out-dated equipment. Since most of you claim to know everything then you would know we have 2 ambulances having mechanical issues and are in desperate need to be replaced. This proposed state audit severely puts the tax-payers at risk of not getting the new equipment that we need in the near future. Here's a question- What saves lives? A 30,000 dollar audit or a functioning ambulance? You decide, i know what my answer would be.