Thursday, November 19, 2009
Past perfect
This is in response to the call in "I like Ike." I don't think the '50s were perfect. Segregation was wrong. Polio was a bad disease and the arms race was bad. But the '50s were still better than it is now. Since you liberals have taken God out, made abortion legal, made gay rights OK and have destroyed the United States completely in every way.
Tea time
I am a retired veteran and I would like to join the St. Joseph Tea Party group and I don't know how to get it done. How can I do that?
Editor's note: Announcements for upcoming Tea Party meetings are published in the News-Press. For information about the group, call 279-2219.
Smoke
So the city will file for a grant for the CDC to combat smoking. Your priorities are way out of whack.
Zero option
San Francisco vowed to become zero waste by the year 2020. I guess they know Nancy Pelosi won't be in office by then.
Avoidance
I'm calling in today's paper about "Minority rights" about the guy who thinks that the city is trying to take away people's right to smoke. The only rights that this gentleman or lady or whomever wrote this article has is to stay away from people who don't smoke. Because that is their right.
Go away
This is regarding all smokers' rights. We non-smokers also want our rights, which is not having to suffer from second-hand smoke. We're not denying your rights to smoke, just do it away from us. It is disturbing to see children eating a meal while sitting in the smoking section of a restaurant while you are exercising your right to smoke.
A long time
Well, I read in the paper where a lot of states have budget problems. It seems to me that if they would take and end this war over there and bring all those boys back and keep that money from being spent on the war. Those folks over there don't appreciate it. They've been fighting since the beginning of time and will be fighting until the end of time.
Ultimate judge
This is to "Differences." I'm sure the Native Americans feel the same way about Christianity. You people have killed more people in the name of Christ and yet you disparage Muslims, because you think you are better. When God judges you all, I feel for all of you people.
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tydej says...
Past perfect, wow yet another person living in the past. Gods not gone, or last I knew people still belived. I am not against religion not what I'm saying. I see people that may be of diffrent faiths; that at times find it hard to respect each other. Prayer groups are allowed at schools but public prayer aka P.A. system, games, classroom prayer has been stopped for all religions, or by law should have stopped. If you want to pray you can, just not force others to be involed if they choose not to. This is for all religions. I also love how the caller included gay rights. I don't see how current gay rights are a bad thing, is it really that bad they are treated as people with rights the same as others. Homosexuals do not have special rights they have the same rights (minus a few) that everyone else enjoys. In the 50's gays didn't have many of the rights they have today. I see nothing wrong with the rights they have that everyone in this country is intitled to.
November 19, 2009 at 7:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mr_America says...
Ultimate judge: "You people have killed more people in the name of Christ"
I'm so tired of seeing mobs of blood thirsty little old church ladies roaming the streets of St. Joseph looking for their next victim.
November 19, 2009 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
EVERYONE knows those church pot-luck dinners are just a front for Christian torture chambers!!
November 19, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
He_who_opines_behind_anonymity says...
Don't you guys remember when that Baptist church choir ganged up and cut that guys throat a few years ago? Oh, and remember when that Church of Christ youth pastor drove into a crowded marketplace and blew himself up killing those 45 people? And remember when that Methodist church sunday school teacher flew that plane into the Pentagon?
Boy, you guys sure have poor memories.
November 19, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rlwx9c says...
This is a response to "Past Perfect" I dont believe any decade or period has been perfect. As we grow as a society it's about learning from our past mistakes. I question whether we really have. You say segregation was wrong in the 50's. What are we doing today to gay rights? Separate is not equal! How are those individuals really affecting your life? Ask yourself that.
November 19, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ApparentlySo says...
Something that never existed can't now be gone.
November 19, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
music4602 says...
Gay rights. What is gay rights? The right to flaunt your sexuality? Sexuality is a choice. One cannot chose to be born white or black, or asian or hispanic. One cannot even chose if they are effeminate or laced with an abundance of testosterone. However, in both those instances having sex, or not having sex (beit homosexual or heterosexual) is a choice one makes. All gay and lesbian people are guaranteed by the United States Constitution, the same unalienable rights as all others, yet that seems not enough. It is now worse to murder a gay individual than to murder a straight person. Really? You mean to tell me that a gay person's life is any more valuable simply based on the fact that they chose a certain sexual lifestyle?
Call people equal. All peoples. If you want to live a gay or lesbian lifestyle, fine. By all means do so under the same laws, rights and priviledges that everyone else must abide by. But keep it in the bedroom just as heterosexuals should do.
November 19, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rk92559 says...
**It is disturbing to see children eating a meal while sitting in the smoking section of a restaurant while you are exercising your right to smoke.**
Don't like it? Don't go there. I sit at the bar and smoke, if your kid is sitting next to me...check yourself.
November 19, 2009 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bigbob says...
I was reviewing the bill of rights, can't find the clause that gives anyone a right to clean air, or a right to smoke. Perhaps we need another word for "controlling" the actions of others.
November 19, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
suzyQ says...
rk-what about adults (I dont call them parents) stuffing their kids in cars and smoking cigs right after another. Just because it is "legal" doesn't make it right. I think the post you are referring to was meaning adults who take their kids into the smoking section and force second hand smoke on them. It is sad to see that someones filthy habit means more to them than their own children's health.
I commend you though for at least sitting at the "bar" to smoke.
November 19, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
If you choose to be gay,it is a choice then you do have rights, your miranda rights. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you.Keep it to yourself, people complaining about smoking yet they are ok with their children seeing gay people out in public holding hands,kissing come on i can not think of much worse than that.
November 19, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
As I first stated homosexuals have no special rights. I think everyone should be equall in the eyes of the law. My original comment speaking of how this has not always applied towards gays has more to do with how they have been treated by law enforcement and the judical system. Gay men used to get arrested for being at a gay bar; nothing more nothing less. Raids were common place in the 50's, 60's, and 70's on establishments fequented by gay men and women. Gay people have and continue to be discriminated in areas such as housing and employment just to name a couple. If's homosexuals have always had the same rights why is it then they had to take thier battle to court to be allowed to have sexual intercourse without breaking the law? The changes we see are not gays getting special treatment. As far as the hate crimes law everyone seems to forget that over time gays have been the target of horrfic crimes for no other fact than they are gay. I feel anyone who singles out one group or another due towards their hatetred of said group, they should have stiffer punishment. I don't care if their gay, black mexican, christian, jewish, buddist, muslim, white, asain or whatever if someone attacks due to a hate for the group then they should stand trial for a hate crime. Why would you not back a law that protects individuals from vicious attacks that all to often lead to death? Why would you not want to protect people from being targets of hate crimes? Why do you want to live in a society that dosen't value diversity and makes efforts to safeguard that diversity?
November 19, 2009 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lbc says...
I think "hate crimes" are a bunch of crap.
Being a white, hetrosexual male means I am one of the selected few that are not protected by this law. Why am I omitted. why am I discriminated against.
Why are gays given a protectdion that I am not. I am a citizen..I pay my taxes. Why are they special and I am not.
Why do people get to do bad things to me and it's not "hate" I'm not so sure they beat me up because they love me.
November 19, 2009 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mr_America says...
Because you are "The Man" Ibc, and one must always stick it to the man. I found that in my "Al Sharpton for Dummies" book.
November 19, 2009 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
10377586 says...
A long time........
whether it's money or not.........bring them home.
November 19, 2009 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
Good comment ibc
November 19, 2009 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
tydej, if a person chooses to be gay that is their choice. Why should we change laws to make them happy? There is alot of laws i don't agree with such as hate crime laws,some speed limits, many laws. So if i choose to break the laws that means they should change them so i feel equal to people not breaking them they aren't getting tickets why am i? Again i chose to break the laws, gays choose to be gay, they know how normal people feel about them. If you choose to be gay then deal with the laws, same as i have to if i break them.
November 19, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rk92559 says...
If a place of business doesn't allow smoking, I have no right to tell them they have to because I want them to.And you have no right to tell them not to allow it. If I don't like it..I simply can go somewhere else. Smoking is not illegal any more than you jamming food in your mouth with your ever expanding butt hanging over both sides of a chair, waiting for your next coronary or diabetic coma. And just because your kids are obese from eating all that crap, it is none of my business.
And it is ironic that people slamming down beers or drinks that cause just as many health problems would say anything about smoking. I have yet to smoke a few to many cigarettes and went weaving down the road and killed someone. But that is all good..just don't have a smoke with that martini.
If you are opposed to nudity, don't go to a strip club. If you don't like smokers..don't go to places that allow it. Simple..I know, but people will not stop until the world is just the way they want it, and you conform to what they think is right.This isn't even an issue about smoking anymore, trust me..they will get around to you too.
November 19, 2009 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flAmer says...
Hey pops come on in the waters fine. I agree with you rk you should be allowed to smoke if you want if there is a designated area for it, and if the non-smoker so chooses they could boycott the establishment. To me its the same as if a straight person comes into Shaft and complains about me grinding on my man if you don't like it leave.
November 19, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
I'm still trying to figure out why someone's "right" to smoke trumps my "right" not to breath smoke. Please explain that to me.
November 19, 2009 at 7:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
StJoeMike says...
Hey drbjr, no one if FORCING you to breath it.. Explain to me how you are FORCED to breath it?
November 19, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
StJoeMike,
If smokers had their way, they'd be allowed to smoke ANYWHERE. That would mean that non-smokers would either be FORCED to breath the smoker's polluted air, or not go anywhere....no restaurants, no bars, no theaters....nothing. That's unacceptable. I feel public places should be open to ALL the public...smokers and non-smokers alike. Surely the smokers can refrain from lighting up until they're outside and in their own car, or at home. I can't understand why that's a problem....
November 19, 2009 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
Why should I not be allowed to go to a particular restaurant or bar, have a meal and or drink and have to breath your second hand smoke? I don't make you drink Jack Daniels because I do. I don't make you eat a steak because I do. Why should I have to breath in your Marlboros just because you do.
BTW, a Jack Daniels sounds really good about now. Pops, set 'em up!
November 19, 2009 at 8:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
picklesniffer says...
flAmer - Just wondering if you log on to your computer by using the following commands I C A : I Enter.
BTW - I lost a couple of gerbils while cruising down Hershey Highway this morning...can you help me out?
November 19, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
froggy says...
LOL picklesniffer. What's up with flAmer and his/her posts?
November 19, 2009 at 8:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
froggy says...
Ditto on your comments suzyq. Smokers say it's their right to smoke...I have a right to eat mexican chili and a dozen hard-boiled eggs for a week and whip up some paint-peeling farts, but I don't blast one and blow it in their face. Nor do I intentionally pollute the air while eating. They might as well suck on an exhaust pipe...it has about the same effect.
November 19, 2009 at 9:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
StJoeMike says...
Here we go again.. This debate is going to go on forever likeabortion. Ha.. It should be up to the BUSINESS OWNER.. Not the smokers, or non smokers.. The business owner should have the say if they want to allow a smoking section or not. It really is that somple. It is not about the right to smoke or the right to not have to breathe second hand smoke. Take the dress code for example. You may have a right to wear your pants around your ankles, but if I ran a bar I have the right to say you can't dress that way in my establishment.
November 19, 2009 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
If you want to be open to the "public" it needs to be open to ALL the public. To open as a smoking establishment is basically discriminating against non-smokers. Smokers STILL have the right and ability to puff on their cigarrettes or cigars outside, in their car, at home, wherever. I STILL challenge any smoker to tell me why, if I want to have a nice, delicious dinner at a restaurant, I should be forced to endure the byproduct of their nasty habit.
November 20, 2009 at 6:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
lbc...you are included in the hate crime protection laws. They protect people by race, color, religion, disability, gender, gender id and sexuality orientation. Newest addition named after James Byrd Jr; a black man drug behind a truck in Jasper TX. His body was ripped to peices. The other person is Marrhew Shepard, a 20 yr old college kid killed by two men pretending to be gay so they could befriend Matthew. Later Matthew was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence where he was found 18 hours later. He dies 5 days later.
The federal laws protect people from attacked based on the 7 guidelines. If someone is singled out and attacked on these grounds that is the federal crime.
November 20, 2009 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rabble_Rouser says...
So pops by "public" do you mean government owned or do you mean privately owned. Because in my opinion you as a potential customer are the one who has the power to decide if you patronize the establishment or not. If an owner of a restaurant caters to smokers that should be their right. Just as it is your right NOT to eat there.
November 20, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
ufc....it is not against the law last time I checked for someone to be homosexual.. The gay men I was talking about were arrested for being at gay bars, they were not in violation of any law. When you talk about changing a law(s) which do you mean. Do you think it should be against the law to be gay? What evidence would you need to prove that someone was gay..being openly gay, being caught in the act, going to a gay bar ("underground bar" as being gay would be illigeal), rumored to be gay, intent to be gay?
In Natzi Germany under Hitlers rule Paragraph 175 which outlawed homosexual acts was rewritten and gay intent was included; where just being gay was against the law. Men didn't have to commit a gay act, they just had to be gay. Punishment was one of two choices; castration or be imprisioned at a concentration camp in Sachensenhausen. Many times castrated man would be imprisioned bacause he was still gay. This not what I want to see happen here in the United States. I worries me that people would suggest or consider the idea of making being gay a crminal act.
November 20, 2009 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
happyhound says...
I get so sick of these people who say homosexuals choose to be the way they are. My question is, "how do you know?" You people talk like you know everything about everyone's life style, but you don't. I have had many gay friends and have had many heartfelt conversations with them about the subject of homosexuality. They don't wake up one day and decide to go for the same sex, in people I have known it is something they have felt their whole lives. So quit judging and get over yourselves!!!!!
November 20, 2009 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
suzyQ says...
happyhound-your theory could be applied to pediphiles and a multitude of other deviant sex. In the end, it is a choice.
I don't understand it, I don't agree with it, but I'm not the one they answer to for it. I wouldn't disown a friend or my child or someone I cared about for it. It is possible not to judge but also disagree with a lifestyle.
November 20, 2009 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lbc says...
flamer.........you are absolutely correct and I have to commend you.......QUEER is much more descriptive and appropriate than the intentionally misleading word, "gay"
November 20, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
meow says...
StJoeMike, weren't you the one just advocating for the new liquor law regarding servers? And now you're talking about business owners having rights when it comes to allowing smoking? Explain yourself, please. You spoke as if you want to protect minors from alcohol - something that they willingly CHOOSE to partake in, yet you want to subject those same minors to YOUR cigarette smoke?
Picklesniffer, I'm still laughing about your comment...nice.
November 20, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
I guess Hitler wasn't all wrong then. What is America coming to? The government is trying to control your every move now. If there is no law against something keep electing lawyers to office there soon will be new laws against everyones rights.
November 20, 2009 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
ufc...wow your true colors surprise me. Hitler wasn't all wrong. You actully feel homosexuals should be castrated then killed, and not just for homosexual acts but for just having gay intent or gay thoughts. You have the nerve to tell tell me how to vote, you don't know how I vote, and when I do vote I make my decision based on each side of the argument or canidate. You say the government wants to control our lives; I take it you feel this is a bad thing? Before you answer that you are advocating that the government enter into private matters of two adults in the bedroom. Which way do you want it government telling us what and how to do it, or out of private matters? Then again as you don't see the a homosexual worthy as living then I suppose that having government round up all homosexuals and either kill them in prison or kill just after trial to save tax dollars; after that they can stay out of your personal life. I have seen my share of bigots in my life but for you to be in favor of castration and consentration camp death for homosexuals takes the top honor. I pitty other people you dislike so much. How did you become so full of hatetred that you would kill someone because of who they sleep with?
November 20, 2009 at 7:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
happyhound says...
PatMyGroin and dick_holder you are the reason that certain people in this town and their lack of intellect never cease to amaze me! Your comments were disturbing and totally uncalled for!!!!!
November 20, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
tydej,
"Hitler wasn't all wrong"??
SURELY you jest!!
"How did you become so full of hatetred that you would kill someone because of who they sleep with?"
You mean, as opposed to killing millions because of their ethnicity, what religion they happened to practice or many other reasons Hitler felt people were "unfit" to be a part of his Master Race??
I'm GLAD Hitler is dead!! He was a monster and I only hope he suffered a lot before he died....
November 20, 2009 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singlemomof3 says...
We have outdated laws all over the country. Some places say you can't pick your nose while driving. Do we have to see them do it or just show intent to pick your nose.
November 20, 2009 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
StJoeMike says...
meow, I think you have me confused with someone else. I have no clue what your talking about. And for the record I DON'T smoke.
November 20, 2009 at 10:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
StJoeMike says...
Anyway I will address your question.. "You spoke as if you want to protect minors from alcohol - something that they willingly CHOOSE to partake in, yet you want to subject those same minors to YOUR cigarette smoke?" I don't know the nature of the liquer law your talking about but... Last time I checked Minors and Alcohol was against the law.. Smoking is not. Simple..
November 20, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Orliandor says...
---"I'm GLAD Hitler is dead!! He was a monster and I only hope he suffered a lot before he died...."
And we're worried about Muslims?
November 21, 2009 at 12:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
pops.....please reread comments...ufc08 said " I guess Hitler wasn't all wrong then." I would never say that! Hitler was the closest thing to pure evil the world has had to deal with. My first comment on Hitler was speaking of his bad policies requarding his treatment of homosexuals. It explained what was needed for proff of being gay. I said it could have been just the rumor of or the intent. I also mentioned how castration and slave consentration camps were the only two forms of punishment for being gay. I said how awful this law was. UFC08 in repsonce to my comment said " I guess Hitler wasn't all wrong then." I in return asked ufc08 how he (ufc08) became so full of hate that he advocates for the death of homosexuals. I am well aware of who Hitler targeted that did not fit into his masterplan. I only mentioned gays because the discussion of laws against homosexuals here in the US by some narrow minded people. As an example of how such a law has been used in the past and how it could go if ever such a law were to pass in the US, I used Hitler's laws as the example as I knew of his policies. Making laws against homosexuality is not the way to go and would go against what this nation was founded on. I hope I cleared up any confussion you or anyone else had on the comments and who said what.
November 21, 2009 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
I think I understand, but I still stand by my feelings about Hitler. Sorry, Orliandor, if my comments about Hitler offended you....
I don't feel we need laws AGAINST gays in this country....and I don't know that I know anyone who advocates that. I ALSO don't believe they need SPECIAL rights, making them a "protected class". That's discrimination..
November 21, 2009 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
pops I agree nobody deservers special laws or treatment. We all need to be on the same level playing field. Nothing more nothing less.
November 21, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lbc says...
tyde.......I'm glad you agree with me.....
No affirmative action
No quotas
No hate crimes
No more Congressional black caucus
No more political correctness
Now if you would just agree that we could reinstate the 10th ammendment, we could get this country back on track.
November 21, 2009 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
lbc wh8le I think we need a level playing field, one must also realise certain programs have been put into place to safeguard a level field and nonprofit groups have been started to do the same. There was a time in this country when people in this country were treated by the color of their skin or where they came from (other countries). These groups still make sure that the under representated have voice and make sure that things are level. I don't agree at times when a well qualifed person is passed over due to numbers, yes there are flaws in these as any system. While you may disagree with some policies or groups I hope you understand that things could slowly revert to what they once were. I see even today were these groups are needed as people are still discriminated agaisnt due to things beyond their control. There are still racists and bigots out there and when they bar individuals who they feel are benith them we need people to take a stand against that injustice. If we allow the injustices to happen yet do nothing, we become as bad as the opressers. For current examples we only need to look in our owm backyard. Today the targeted individuals are people of Latino heritage. Many assume that they are all illegal, which is untrue. People complain that food lables in stores now have spainish and english on them. People complain that they don't understand our language and speek a language most americans don't understand. The misconceptions that many have about Latinos are abundent. This group of people are at times treated unfairly and I see this as wrong. The small grassroot groups that are helping Latinos are good as they give leadership and a collective voice to this group of people. Without this voice it would be too easy and very likely that they would be walked all over. Read my previous comments in reguards to hate crimes to see where and why I feel the way do about them. Simply put no one should be a target for a crime based on the guidlines. They prevent in theory attacks on people based upon gender, color, race, sexual orientation/id and disibility. We all fall into these protective groups and if attacked for thoses reasons then it becomes a hate crime. Many forget the same laws they may not like are the same laws that protect them.
November 22, 2009 at 12:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lbc says...
thyde......thank you for the explanation..........
I'm sure you would support an affirmative action program in the NFL and NBA. It is clear that those groups are totally out of balance.
And, perhaps the entertainment industry has an issue that should be looked at.....Oprah....all rappers....Bill Cosby..
and I could go on and on.
I think maybe the biggest misperception might very well be that there is an inherent virtue in diversity. We are not only supposed to accept diversity we are supposed to think it's a fundamental right when in reality there is precious little evidence to suggest it has any fundamental virtue. We live in a world where folks are supposed to say "diversity" and we all jump. I'm not convinced.
Maybe you should consider the possible reason many folks look askew at Litinos is the FACT that so many of them have broken our laws and there are actually still some folks who think following the law is "ok"....in fact s/b required.
Maybe if more Latinos had dropped by Ellis Island and signed on the doted line, instead of fording the Rio Grande in the middle of the night, they might be more widely acceped and lots of us would not be called bigots and racists just because we think adhearing to our laws is a good thing to do.
The starting point is to have a national referendum on Political Correctness and once it's outlawed maybe the world would be a better place.
November 22, 2009 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )