Fifth-grade teacher Glenda Haley and some of her students from Coleman Elementary check out an Intel netbook. All of Haley's students will receive a netbook as part of a pilot program between the St. Joseph School District and Intel.
It's a first for Intel and a first for the St. Joseph School District.
The 25 fifth-grade students in Glenda Haley's class at Coleman Elementary will be among the first in the nation to try out Intel's new netbook. The pilot program is a partnership between the school district, Intel and a group of software publishers.
"It sounds so exciting and thrilling," said Maggie McCarthy, one of the students in the class.
Rick Hartigan, chief operating officer of the school district, refers to the program as an experiment in relevancy, "what kind of teaching and learning experiences can elementary kids have with access to a computer 24/7?"
The class plans to integrate the computers into all aspects of their learning. It will be used for every subject, group projects, research, homework and presentations. The kids can take it to the library, home, or virtually anywhere to work on school projects.
"Our kids today are digital natives," said Mr. Hartigan. "They are very comfortable with the technology; they can't wait to get their hands on it."
The students are so comfortable, in fact, that textbook publishers are taking notice. Mr. Hartigan said the cost of producing a textbook is rising, and textbook companies are looking to repackage their books from print to digital. Mr. Hartigan hopes this will lead to lower textbook costs for school districts.
The students didn't seem to mind giving up a hard-copy textbook for a digital one. "I'm not really used to using a textbook. We are growing up in a digital age," said Wyatt Williams.
Intel donated the computers in exchange for feedback from the class. It would cost about $350 apiece to purchase the units. Intel is best known for supplying the processors that run computers, and this is the company's first foray into computer manufacturing. Intel tailored this particular model for educational use.
Mr. Hartigan hopes to have the netbooks for the students to take home for winter break, so they can get used to them and be ready to go in the spring semester.
There is no word yet on plans for the netbooks after this year. The students might take the computers with them to sixth grade, or another fifth grade class could use them.
Mr. Hartigan said the district's budget won't allow them to put a netbook into every student's hands anytime soon. But the information they gather from this program will help them make those kinds of decisions in the future.
"If we can't quantify hard data that shows that this strategy can lead to an enhancement in the teaching and learning process," he said, "then we won't do it."
Rob Schmidt can be reached
at robschmidt@npgco.com.
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heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
what criteria was used to determine which school was to take place in this experiment?
November 20, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I want to know why it is always schools like Coleman or Eugenefield that get these programs what about some of the other schools in the system?Same old BS from the SJSD.I have lost all faith in them that they are concerned about all children and their education and all schools the same.PERIOD.
November 20, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
How about spreading these around to some of the other schools Mrs Smith and the board.Do you all know how much things like this hurt you and the SJSD efforts in anything they want from the community?This is like telling me that my children that attend this school are not smart enough to learn to use these and they are not given the opportunity to get to use them.BS
November 20, 2009 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
mm, i think the data would be difficult to analyze and the program would be impossible to administer if it were spread around. i just want to know what criteria was used to select the specific school?
November 20, 2009 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
I would venture a guess that they chose the kids whose parents would least likely hock these computers if they take them home for winter break.
November 20, 2009 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
BS if you want to test something that possibly all schools would use it would be better served to put them in schools like Hyde Hall,Humbolt,Mark Twain,Parkway, ect, ect.You would get a better idea of their use in these schools.It may be hard to analyze if they were spread around but put them all in one of these others schools for a change.Standards are all set by these schools which have been proven to do better and then the other children and schools suffer.What do we need a group called "Parents For Equal Education" for all St Joseph School children and schools.It seems like it to me.It is always oneside with these people.
November 20, 2009 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Pawn shop therory is shot all to heck I am sure these are marked in several areas and the pawn shop personal are trained to see this type of situation.There are several ways to make sure this does not happen.I like the idea of Parents For Equal Education in St Joseph maybe this would get their attention.I am sick of seeing my children and the rest of the community's childrens education suffer because of these bumbs.
November 20, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
Sounds to me that you are just angry because these went to an east-side school mm.
November 20, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Yes I am pissed this is how it always is and the other children get shoved to the back side of the burner.It is about time they realize this practice is BS.I am sick of seeing children in other schools not have the opportunity to have the same.Oh thats right Mr Flowers children go here that's it.
November 20, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
caseyjones says...
Maybe the Coleman teacher took the initive to apply to Intel for the program. I don't know if she did....it's just that most things like this are done by the extra efforts of the teachers.
November 20, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
Well, the article does say Intel wants feedback. Perhaps this school provides the best level of feedback and parents are more likely to have a high speed internet connection at home. Anyway, I honestly believe if it were up to some in this community the kids at Coleman and Field would be going to school in tents.
November 20, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Good grief, this is a program in which the school picked one class in one school to see how it works. The whole school didn't get them. MM I don't see parents from Coleman in 4th grade or sixth grade complaining thier class didn't get chosen. You really need to get that chip off your shoulder.
I think Sarah question is a fair one, could be teachers had to accept the project, I don't know.
Again, here is some positive news about St. Joseph and our schools and all you read is negative petty comments, try being positive for once, your life will be better.
November 20, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhoisJohnGalt says...
I would not be surprised if Glenda wrote the grant application and was the driving force in getting this done in the first place. She is a pretty smart cookie.
November 20, 2009 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
Sarah has a legitimate question and the SJSD could do well to respond if possible. It's not a complaint, but a valid request to allow the public to understand the thought process behind their decision. I hope they respond to her.
mm, sorry your kid did not get a computer. You are taking a positive story that is being read by the parents and children of that class this morning with excitement and appreciation and devolving it into a hate-filled rant about how much you despise the SJSD. Have you no self-control? This is a positive story that could influence the rest of the district if it works out well. Hopefully your child will get their new computer sometime in the near future. For now, appreciate the fact that St. Joseph was chosen as one of the few towns in the nation to pilot this technology. THINK POSITIVE AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT!! :)
November 20, 2009 at 10:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mtbgirl71 says...
I think that this is really cool! Especially since it's a limited program. Not every school in the nation is getting these netbooks just a few. So complaining about it is silly. Maybe if the results are positive from this test bed Intel can sell enough of them to bring the price down more, and allow all of our children to have them. And if it was a grant writing situation good job to those who participated in it for thinking outside the box for our kids!!
November 20, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
All things have to go through the district offices the last time I checked.
And apple my chip is getting bigger everyday that the rest of the community's children get treated like they do not exist.People look at this like you want but this is the practice of the district and always have been and it will never change the rest of the community's children are crapped on by the people downtown.We have great teachers at our other schools and they are not offered this program or any other everything goes thru these schools it seems and it is pure BS.Like I said "Parents For Equal Eductation" In St Joseph sounds good to me.
November 20, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm your just a ridiculus person - great story and good for the schol district and St. Joe, people reading this, don't mind mm, he hates the district and would would something bad to say no matter the subject, just ignore him.
November 20, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Your opinions apple/sence I am entitled to my own remember.Good for one school not all and yes it is a good thing intel wants to do this but this had to ran through the district offices and like heritage said how did they decided which school to do it in and if there was certain cirterias.Jump on me if you want you know I will stand firm on my opinions and beliefs.
November 20, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Lets look at this our children had their computer class taken away from them their art room taken away from them as well as music room because of the schools that weere closed and moving the children around and you would not be just a little pissed about things.Also it has been 3 weeks since the levy passed and they Mr Smith said we would be looking at reinstating services that they had cut and to this date 3 weeks later nothing and I mean nothing has been done.The overcrowding they have caused has to be addressed for our children can have their classes back that was taken away from them.Some schools it was madde sure these were still offered to them but others not.I not saying this is not a good thing for the district but I am sick and tired of other schools not getting and more and more being taken away from them.I mind you I have honor roll children and they have had enough taken away from them as well as other children in the community and schools have.You people can think about me what ever the hell you want but the fact remains some schools are just there and the minium is done for them and nothing more.I do not want no children to go to school in tents but I want the programs and things offered at other school to be made avalible to all of the schools and children and it is not.
Apple/sence you have no clue till you see it first hand like some of parents do so quit acting as if you know all cause bbelieve me you do not and I do not claim to but I do see things.
November 20, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Not one school, one grade - and yes thankfully the district got this progam where other districts acress the nation did not.
Now I don't let Sarah off the hook, instead of being positive on the story she of course does what she does so well which is yell from the sidelines and then let the fight get going. You don't think you wouldn't read that post and join in? Sarah quesiton is a fair one, but she could have said something like -
This is great for St. Joseph and the school district, congratulations to those involved in getting this program here, I was wondering if the School district can tell us how they came to chose this class to receive the computers.
For all we know, intel may have had some specific guidlines to the class room make up to receive the computers and not allow the district to disclose those guidlines.
November 20, 2009 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gocubbies says...
MM, maybe they chose Coleman over other schools due to the fact they have the teachers, students, and parents that support one another that allows this school to be one of very few in St. Joe to be a top rated school in the state.
You complain now that my kid didn't get a free netbook. Remember, this is a test that is being conducted. Who said this will even work. There could be a glitch with these netbook that may not allow them to work properly. Then all you would do is complain that my kids getting screwed with a piece of crap system that they wanted to try out in a poor school.
Finally, with the language that you post here, I could only wander why the SJSD wanted to not put this system in you school. I've always been told the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
November 20, 2009 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Boz44 says...
MM- I really cannot imagine what type of life you must live. Our school system gets picked to participate in a study that can be a long term positive for us and you want to complain. A very wise man has taught me to first seek to understand before speaking. Until you understand the how and why please do not berate the situation. The problem in this case is with the reporter not understanding the audience in which they are writing for and not including the answer to Sarah's question. Before spouting off call the district office and ask the why and how, I did and I have the answer. If you get the answers to why and have issues with the answer then your complaints have merit, but unitl you know why Coleman was actually picked your rant just paints you as a bitter person.
November 20, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
Why is everyone jumping on mm he is asking the same question i was wondering? I have no kids yet, I pay taxes i also want to know why Coleman? Pershing, Hyde, Lindbergh, or Parkway they are all good schools. We all know the answer why Coleman. I agree mm 1967 the district keeps shooting themselves in the foot, i voted yes on the last tax ballot they have now lost my yes votes.
November 20, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rabble_Rouser says...
I really don't see what the big deal is it is a win/win for our kids. These are "NETBOOK" pc's they are palm pilots with bigger screens. The over inflated valuation of $350.00 makes it look like a huge win for the SJSD and I suppose it is to some degree. Intel needs people to test its Moblin OS and they are trying to find their niche market for netbooks.
November 20, 2009 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Boz44
Myt life is just normal american life style just as yours probably is but I happen to stick up for the little guy and I happen to remember where I came from unlike some. I care about my children and their education.I also believe other schools should have the chance but the schools to the NE always get the opportunity's and the rest of the schools and children do not.
See this does nothing for their cause of the long term planning as well in the schools.Some of us parents care about our childrens education and just happen to watch things like this and express our concerns why alway are the schools to the NE selected to participate in these kind of situations and not some of the other schools.I garentee you that my children do as well in school as these children do in their schools ,I seem to remember just seeing my children progress report and seeing all A'S on them.We do spend quality time with our children and help them in their education but they are not offered the same education as some of the other schools are.Plain and simple.I think this is great for the kids but let some of the other schools participate in these programs.And for the ones who say us people in other areas of town will steal them or pawn them you are out of your minds not to mention out of line in judging us.Like I said "Parent For Quality Education In All Schools"in St Joseph is needed.
And also all thing that happens in any of our schools has to go through the district offices.I know this for a fact.
November 20, 2009 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Boz44 says...
ufc - Do you actually know why they went to Coleman or do you just think you know why they went to Coleman? Until you can give the reasons why they went to Coleman, please do not assume anything wrong has happened or any school is getting favored treatment over any other school.
November 20, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Boz44,
It has been so clear to see for years that these school recieve psecial treatment keep your blinders on to the fact and keep telling yourself this but the rest of the community knows.
November 20, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
i had hoped that the reporter would visit the comments and provide an answer to my question, as has often been done in the past. also, i hope that the company which is involved in this has something to do with the stimulus money which has recently been provided to a local business to advance the use of netbooks..... in fact this may reasonably have been arranged by the grantee. this would be a WIN/WIN for the community.
the comment by fantome is problematic. mm, seriously, you are getting thumbs down from me on this one, as is drb, who admitted a while ago that he might not even vote on the recent levy. you guys are all showing why this community is going to continue to have such trouble prospering.
obviously further testing will be forthcoming. i am thinking that if i were looking to advance my project with positive numbers it would be best served by targeting a school in which the students had the highest likelihood of having regular access to computers, in which case an Assumption Could be made that one of the higher income schools would provide the most supportive initial data.
and yes, this is a great thing for our schools. i have purposely stayed away from much in the comments on Any schools issue. you are right apple, i could have been more enthusiastic.
November 20, 2009 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
I'm terribly disappointed!! When I first saw the headline, I thought perhaps with the Coleman/Intel combination I might soon see computerized camping stoves and lanterns with "Intel Inside"!!!! Can you imagine??!!! "Smart Cots", camping tents with "Windows 2009", "Wireless Campfire Starters"........
November 20, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
robschmidt (Rob Schmidt) says...
Sorry it took so long to respond to the comments. It has been a busy day.
I did talk about the selection process with Mr. Hartigan. They were looking for a teacher that had experience with this style of teaching and the technology skills to go along with it. Mr. Hartigan never said I need a teacher at this school or that school, he just needed a qualified fifth-grade teacher. He then worked with the curriculum office to find a suitable teacher, and that ended up being Glenda Haley.
Mr. Hartigan says decisions like these are always difficult with so many options to choose from. Hope that helps.
November 20, 2009 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Some people are just lost causes with seeing things from other parents persepctive but I understand why it's been this way in this community since I was a kid. One side of town is better then the other side of town.I guess it will always be this way till people stand up and say enough is a enough.
This is a great thing for our schools but you are telling me this is the only school that had a qualified teacher to do this? Come on I was not born yesterday it was the day before.
Thanks UFC08 I hope things are better in our school when you do have children and they go to school here.I appreciate the fact you see things for what they are and some people just still have blinders on or they are the ones who always benefit while others get what they need for their schools and no more.Look at the Neely Students what they got and the Webster students they really got what they deserved didn't they?No they got what they should have not got but they could care aless.Look at how the TF campaigned for the levy and look at the Buchanan county web site to see the election results and you will find that the NE is the only reason the levy passed what does that tell you the rest of St Joseph wants answers and wants change but they will never listen.Board elections are in April hopefully we will get 2 pro community members this time and make the remaining members jobs a little miserable.Just my opinions and I do not care if people agree or not.
November 20, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm I will be totaly honest with you, had the story said a 5th grade class at Hyde was going to be part of this program I would have said, great. It never in my wildest dreams would have thought anyone would get upset about which class (not school) got this program. To be honest, Im not sure if I was a parent of this class I would be that happy. Its an experiment and that means the normal routine of the class room will be changed. I as a parent would probably say, no thanks but thats just me. It's not like as one put it they got their own personal laptops.
Your posts and never miss a chance to complain have labled you as such a negative person, no one wants you part of the engagement process. There is no reason with you, you will always see the east side as the enemy and thats such a shame. You keep yelling across the divide, we'll start building the bridge
November 20, 2009 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
You continue to miss the point apple/sence and you will never get the point plain and simple.
November 20, 2009 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
thank god for that
November 20, 2009 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
mm, God Bless you for sticking to your beliefs no matter what. I may not agree with you most times, but you are consistent. In this case, you are 100% wrong in being so freakishly negative about this article. This article is a positive for St. Joseph and our school district and we should be proud to have people in power that think so highly of our kids and teachers. You are coming across as whiny and conspiratorial. Any attempt at getting your message across is negated by your continued attacks on such an overwhelmingly positive story happening in our school system.
If I may make a suggestion, sit back, sip your tea (or favorite beverage) and bask in the positivity. Then go play with your kids and forget about this article. You'll feel better. :)
November 20, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
i thank mr. schmidt for clarification.
that said, on the face of this, it would appear that If the sole criteria was a teacher with this kind of experience one would question on several levels.
if ms haley is the Only qualified teacher in this area, one should ask Why? you might further question the "fairness" issues as to her placement in one of the schools which is constantly being held up as being in the NE/priveleged area?
on a purely public relations level, this ranks with the choice of the HR department head having designated his own wife as the Most Qualified in the district to move up the ladder with a promotion to a department head ( i think that was her title).
this kind of decision making process is consistently and with some validity brought up as problematic. it remains a difficulty which is a serious blind spot for the district. you all know my expressed concerns of unequal access for all students, a problem which is now even more exacerbated with the change in policy for open enrollment.
however, this does NOT diminish the fact that if this program takes hold the entire district will undoubtable benefit, and the point should be, first and foremost, that progress. sadly, the result of the glaring PR issue could overshadow this incredibly positive program.
November 20, 2009 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lamemusic says...
If there really is that much of a difference between schools then why not transfer one's child to a "better" facility?
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Z...
I believe the policy states there is "open enrollment". I realize that all schools should be treated equally, but if a person thinks their child's school is bad and leaves them there, do they really have room to complain? Just asking.
November 20, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
And who brought this PR problem on the SJSD/SJSB.
Heritage you do bring up a valid point if this teacher is the only one qualified why is that? Also I believe there are probably others qualified and this is a slap in their faces from their employer.I not saying this is a bad thing I think everyone on here knows what my point is and I will not sway from that just because I have seen it for so many years clear back to when I was in school here.Flowers knows this as well since he was a southside Benton Boy and knows what I am talking about first hand but he seems to forget very easily.
November 20, 2009 at 3:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Sarah - PR problem, only when you yourself create one. I think you knew what you were doing on that first posts. You have not posted in a long time and bam there you are claiming unfairness to other schools. Yes you asked a question but your underline reason for asking it was more thatn apparent. Here is my question to you, why didn't you call the newspress, as you often claim you do and ask the question rather than post it? I think we all know why.
It is sad the district does something no other districts in the country gets done and we have people in this community complain about it.
MM - guess I should go and complain about other kids and families getting free and reduced lunches and mine not, I mean I pay taxes don't I. That argument is as stupid, pathitic and dim witted as your post regarding this issue.
November 20, 2009 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
lamemusic
The district did away with the transfers this year.So parents cannot transfer their children any longer.
November 20, 2009 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/Sence for several months you have posted more negative thing then anyone on here.Also you have stated several times you have no children in the schools so what is it do you have children in school or not?
If you want to complain that is your right to go get on it then, od not just sit there.At least I have been very constant in my opinions and beliefs heck we never know about you.
November 20, 2009 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Blackngold says...
Did anyone ever think that maybe "good" things are happening in other schools but the principals/staff choose not to let the television/newspapers do a story on them? It seems to me Coleman is always having good stories about their kids because they have a great relationship with the press. Maybe other schools choose not to let the press do stories because of the disruption it causes to the classes. Just a thought. Anyway, I think this is a great thing for any St. Joseph school and hopefully other schools are going to get an opportunity for things like this in the future. St. Joseph is only going to get further behind in the nation with the attitudes many of you have taken. Shame on you!
November 20, 2009 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
mm1967,
It's none of your business, or mine, for that matter, if applesense has children in the district. Furthermore, since we ALL pay taxes, regarless of whether we have children or not, all have a voice....or at least that's MY opinion.
I, too, don't undersand your angst regarding the article. I have no idea why Ms. Haley was selected. Perhaps they put out a district-wide survey asking who'd be interested in a pilot program. Perhaps she's the only one who answered. Perhaps she IS uniquely qualified to participate in this sort of teaching. Why? I don't know....and personally, I don't care. To me, if this turns out to be beneficial, I'd imagine the district will work toward getting more teachers "qualified".
That brings me to my next point. Can someone please tell me where, exactly, in the article, where it stipulates Ms. Haley was the only teacher "qualified"? Other than a poster saying that Ms. Haley had experience in this sort of teaching, I find nothing. I'd also point out that there are very few schools, NATIONWIDE, participating in this pilot program. Why zero in with all the hate toward Coleman or Eugene Field?
mm1967, after reading MANY of your posts, I have a feeling had this program been placed in YOUR child's school, and YOUR child's classroom, you'd be on here complaining about the district causing damage to your child's education by not teaching them in the "tried and true" ways. I have a feeling you're going to be unhappy with the St. Joe School District, no matter what happens or what they do.
Personally, I view this as a tremendous step forward, and a great honor for our district to be chosen to participate in the program.
November 20, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Sorry you do not understand pops but that's ok I understand some others do as well.
And no pops you are wrong I would welcome things like this in our school for our children that is my point that some have missed.But I really do not care what some think I am entitled to my opinions as you are yours.
I also am telling you that you are wrong I will not be unhappy with the district because they have a chance in April with 2 new board members to turn the PR problems thay have around.
I am not this person who is not open to new things by no means if it is better for my children so be it.This is a great program they are doing and just maybe people do not understand where I am coming from saying things like this could be done in some of the other schools as well and it is not zeroing in on these schools it is just the fact they always do these type of things in these schools and if they chooose to go this direction then they set the standards of off of these studies in these schools.
Who pursued this study with intel someone here had to pursue it they just did not come to us.
November 20, 2009 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
I was beginning to think some think was wrong in the world but no .... do a story on the SJSD and sense and mm1967 will come out swinging .... both are predictable to a fault.
November 20, 2009 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
It is a test and study for a company to better market their product, not a long term program. Students get an opportunity to benefit from it. That is an excellent thing and this is exactly what occurs in the real world now, it is how many people conduct their work and business, on a remote computer. The challenge is how to make this study into a program that is a long term one and beneficial to all students in all schools. There are similar programs throughout the country like this where districts are paying for it and do not have a corporate sponsor. These programs teach students how business is conducted with the technology out there and gears them for the world when they become adults. Things like this go right to the core of why permenant funding is important. This is what a levy should be about, funding, future state programs such at this, not day to day maintaining or "black cloud" scenarios. This study has a shelf life, that means it will end at some point in time. What should be done now is figuring out how to leverage the potential of something like this into a long term strategic program for all schools starting at a pre-determined grade level. And the most important thing of all, fund it. The present way of how we fund our educational processed do not address that. These are topics that should be discussed at board meetings by all, administration, board members, and the public. Future state, not status quo. This is where long range planning needs to be focused on, anyone from that group, you listening? Long range planning, future state, anyone looking at this study and trying to work on ideas to make it into a program within the Long Range Planning committee or are we still focused on consulting groups?
November 20, 2009 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
john, along with your train of thought, I wonder if the district has a formal effort to seek out these opportunities? Have they sought an invitation to apply to the Gates Foundation (which does not accept unsolicited requests)? Are the teachers rewarded for seeking and obtaining these opportunities for their students? It does not all have to be big items like this, but small ones add up also. Don't forget the Empower Center and its programs.
November 20, 2009 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
Drbjr, excellent post, I agree alot of opportunities out there, are they being sought out? The Empower Center, great resources and programs. The Gates Foundation has done wonders. This is where the Long Range Planning committee has opportunity to put some focus and resources on.
November 20, 2009 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
drbjr - now be fair to me, I didn't comment until after mm posted five times on the subject. To answer your questions, I think the fact that our district got this over many across the country should put you at ease of their efforts to get these programs.
November 20, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
If the district was smart it would hire a professional grant writer to at a minimum help the teachers and other professionals do these in a competent manner. I know one kid who went to school here who now does this in another city (doubt he would move back) and is very successful for his non-profit. It is a skill and an art. Seek funds. Here is one. The UP Foundation (Union Pacific RR) has a program for principals: http://www.principalspartnership.com/ They don't do grants to schools, but they are a resource.
Perhaps the district should be doing an annual report to the community which would detail the grants, big and small, and programs like this that help the district. Tell us.
November 20, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brennen says...
I think it's great that they chose Coleman. You know Coleman is not the elite school you may think it is. They have a large amount of free and reduced lunch children. I think this school represents a fair and balanced classroom. It definitely has a good mix of demographics and Glenda Haley is willing to go above and beyond her regular classroom duties to take this challenge on. You know, she doesn't get any extra money for this-nothing, nada, zippo! Just this little article and and bunch of bs comments by mm1967. Wahhhh wahhhh boo hoo! I believe Coleman had no art room for two years (it's called art on a cart) until recently. Who cares about computer lab?! What a waste of time! Playing games while the teachers have a break!!! mm1967-you REALLY need to know what you are talking about.
November 20, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Orliandor says...
Glenda Haley is one of the most awesome teachers in this school district. Not all teachers are willing to put in the extra time and training necessary to implement such a program in their classrooms.
Any kid who ever had the luck to be in Glenda's classroom would surely tell you it was one of the best years of their lives.
Good decision, SJSD. Way to go, Glenda!
November 20, 2009 at 9:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
classyt says...
drjbr, To answer your question or statement about the district hiring a grant writer...they had a grant writer she was one of the people that lost their job back in April. She was awesome! She got a lot of grants for the district, but somehow became a victim of the economic crunch.
November 20, 2009 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Brennen,
You are entitled to your opinions as I am mine and since it seems as if your children go to this school you would have no concept of how the rest of the community may feel when they continue to see that these school are always on the recieving end while the others are not.And you think computer lab is a joke you are lost and this is ome of what we are talking about now with intel and coleman partnering to do this study.Last time I check intel played a major roll in computers.
I also bet your school is not nowhere near 500 students either is it when it was around 350 till school closings and redistricting.If you were a parent of a student that had to put up with this you would be a little upset as well.As well as all of the things I mentioned before our school losing for our children.
November 20, 2009 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
pops, just want to point that the single "poster" which you refer to is actually the writer of this article, and that his response does seem to be in answer to questions posed by readers.
apple go ahead and read anything into my posts you care to ( carnack the magnificent). i said i agreed with you and you insist on being abrasive. bah.
November 20, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm - I guess you didn't realize Coleman had trailers becasue the school was overcrowded. Tell me, what does Coleman get that your kids schools don't. You go on and on about how east side parents don't understand your end of town, do you know what Coleman kids have or not have? Im sure you guys have runnning water just as sure that Coleman dosent have gold water foutains. Coleman was part of the redistrict as well you know. Colemans gym is even to small to even practice basketball. My kids could not walk to Coleman, they would have had to cross a major interstate to do so and were over two miles away.
Again get this through your thick head, this is a program that affects ONE GRADE NOT THE ENTIRE SCHOOL -
PS Sarah no ones needs to be a magician to see through your posts -
November 20, 2009 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rabble_Rouser says...
I thought Coleman was the largest elementary school population wise?
November 20, 2009 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/Sence,
You continue to read things into My post and into H's post to satisfiy your own self.
We would love to have some trailers to eliminate the high numbers in our classrooms this year maybe they can spare some for us.What do you think?We could use 3 or 4 of them.I think Skaith could use some as well I bet those parents would agree as well.Lets also talk about the kids that Coleman would acccept when transfers were allowed do you think thet took children whose grade suffered and did not learn as quickly?You know the answer.
As well this could be just one grade in one of the other schools as well could it not?Oh that's right this is the only qualified teacher to do this I forgot.I bet some of the other 5th grade teachers would have somehing to say about this but that's right they may get fired for speaking their minds.I just so sinical but have a point if you think so or not.Ha
You know you talk about a major highway and your children having to cross one to get to school take them to school we have every year and everyday taken them and pick them up everyday it is not that hard and it is being involved in your children school life and their school as our family is involved.
November 20, 2009 at 11:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Unless Coleman has near 500 they are not the largest populated school.Through all of this one school which is not mentioned much and it is Skaith as well I believe they are in need of a bunch of new room as well.There was just a new apartment complex biult in their district a few years ago and new housing and the redisticting add more to them as well.
November 20, 2009 at 11:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
my god you are something else, one no one said she was the only qualified teacher. I imagine she is one of a few who wanted to take on this kind of project and she seems to get good posts regarding her teaching. Two you are completly wrong about transfers at coleman, my kids went there, we knew a lot of transfer kids and no they were not from high income families and many had learning disablilities so you know nothing and I mean nothing of what you are talking about and yes I do know the answer. Three, I simply point out what parents of the east side deal with to get their kids to school and its not a highway its an interstate and yes we took our kids to school.
Get the green out of your eyes and for gods sake get some help, I mean it you really really need help.
November 20, 2009 at 11:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rabble_Rouser says...
How can you make the population argument if you don't know the population? I am by no means a Coleman booster, my oldest son went there through his entire elementary education and my youngest went there 2 years until the re-redistricting and we couldn't have been happier about his new school. One reason the media always seems to be at Coleman is because it puts the spotlight on Molly Pierce and she loves the spotlight.
That being said though my stance on this is big fricking deal the kids will use these over-sized pda's for a few months, Intel will get their publicity and that will be the last that the district will ever see them.
November 21, 2009 at 12:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OfCourseWeCan says...
Let's call it what it is . . . petty jealousy. Stop wasting time complaining and get out there and work on bringing good things to your neighborhood.
November 21, 2009 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2009/fe...
it does appear that this could actually be a project in which st joseph may have an advantage.
November 21, 2009 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
in another article.... "Jumbofox will provide the software for a computers-in-schools program that could revolutionize education. Under a pilot program that Intel will sponsor in three St. Joseph schools next year, schools will issue each student a small laptop/computer tablet. That computer will contain all the student's textbooks and testing material, which the teacher and school can monitor and interact with at any given time."
November 21, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
We have good things in our neighborhood being it is pretty new. But we get crapped on when it comes to our schools plain and simple not jealousy it is facts.Seem like if we pay our fair share of taxes and probably as much as NE residents do our schools should be on the same page as those schools.But I guess you people cannot see that and I wouldn't expect a resident of the NE to see this coming from a resident on the other end of Riverside Road.There are some pretty nice people up there and I can say I have talked with one John H and he seems to understand where some of the rest of the community comes from and their concerns.Maybe some of the rest of you could take some lessons.I never said this was not a good program I just have questioned why always the NE schools and they said they had to have a qualified 5th grade teacher and this was the only one they came up with.Please.You all up there can jump on me all you want but I will never fray from my beleifs and will stand firm on my position for equal education for all school all areas of this town and for all children and if that makes me a enemy of the NE so be it I have pretty broad shoulders and can take it and can handle it.It's seem as if this areas residents are not willing to reach out to the rest of the community and work with them for whats best for the entire school system instead they only worry about what it best for their schools when other area of town residents are willing.I'm here to tell you all of your materialistic things and your community status as such mean nothing at some point in life.You do not see a hurst pulling a U Haul do you?Talk about selfish.If my outspokeness on this issue offends you then I must have hit a nerve in some.So be it.Good day
November 21, 2009 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
and for another viewpoint. this is part of a downtown initiative which some here have not been particularly supportive of. jumbofox has the potential to bring incredible opportunities to st joseph.
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2009/ju...
this article does not state any connection with jumbofox..... i wonder if there is to be a follow up on this?
November 21, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
According the MO DESE, In 2009 which appears to be before redistricting:
Coleman has 521.
Hyde has 443.
Lindbergh has 426.
Skaith has 421.
Hosea has 418.
Parkway has 389.
Humboldt has 385.
Hall has 358.
Ellison has 347.
Field has 340.
The remainder have less than 300.
mm1967, it is rather easy to locate these numbers on the web. You have a habit of making unresearched assertions like this and being wrong. Make an effort next time to think before you write.
November 21, 2009 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
Also, Molly Pierce runs a good school and is one of the gems of the district. She works hard, cares for her students and has generally improved education in the district. She has earned her doctorate in education something which most principals don't do.
November 21, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
drb, your "numbers" are out of date. where is your posting what is possibly incorrect information any better than what you accuse mm of?
no one said anything against pierce as far as i can see.
November 21, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
heritage, do you have "better" numbers? Don't accuse someone of posting incorrect information, without backing it up...
November 21, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
....otherwise, share it as "your opinion".
November 21, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
those numbers are pre-redistricting and school closings and are inaccurate.
November 21, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rabble_Rouser says...
So you think Coleman has less than 500 students now? The reason drbjr posted those numbers was to basically show mm1967 that Coleman had more than 500 students which even after the closings and redistricting they do. As far as Molly Pierce you and I will have to agree to dis-agree there drbjr.
November 21, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
drbjr,
You numbers were last year before redistricting happened and schools were closed so they are worthless at this point.Parkway for example went to a few numbers shy of 500.And if Coleman has 500 students they have trailers to handle the over flow of students Parkway does not.Skaiths numbers have went up as well from this number drbjr has posted.Hydes number went up as well.I had looked these numbers up as well and like I said they were from last year.Also if Colemans has 500 students still which I heard they do not and the schools that do where are their trailers to handle the increase in students this year?So I guess that Coleman has something the other schools that had a increase in students do not have.
Also after looking at Mr Pierce's credentials I think she is more qualified to be our Super of schools then Mr Smith is.Pops I will call and get those numbers for you if you want to know but I am telling you I know for a fact about one of the schools I listed above has had a hugh increase over last years numbers.
November 21, 2009 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
no, RR, i think that it should be pointed out that the numbers from the '09 dese site are not current. in fact, i think it might be hard to pin the sjsd down on the attendance in the district this year.........
and pops, i said POSSIBLY incorrect info.
November 21, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
drbjr,
I know for a fact that one of the schools you posted above enrollment is wrong because mt children attend there and I know they had a hugh increase in students so before you post these number you may want to make a few phone calls and check first since this years numbers for the schools are not out on the web yet.
November 21, 2009 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tydej says...
sarah you say drbjr is misleading by giving bad numbers. Did you not read just before the numbers they said before redistricting. He stated the truth. What I saw were pre closing and shuffeling students around. I would think that all open schools grew in numbers. I don't know current numbers; neither do you or you would have posted them, but I would imagine Colman is still at the top or still near the top with enrollment.
November 21, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
As far as I'm concerned, whether the numbers are correct or not....it has zero bearing on the discussion at hand. I am GLAD Coleman got this pilot program. I'm GLAD we have a quality teacher such as Ms. Haley to teach that class. I'm GLAD our district was chosen as only one of a very few districts in the nation to participate.
Some of you people really irritate me!! You'd gripe and complain if someone gave you a million dollars!!!
For once, be thankful and happy that something GOOD is happening. Just because it wasn't YOUR little Joey or Sally who happens to be in the class should make NO DIFFERENCE!!!
Sheesh!!!
November 21, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
tydej
Hyde,Parkway,Skaith also grew in numbers by a bunch.Not to mention they say that the NE has grown in size the SE has as well and Skaith,Pickett area is needing to add to their schools as well and the SJSD has said this much as well.
November 21, 2009 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Pops
You fail to see the PR problem the SJSD has and eyes are on them at this point plain and simple.
November 21, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
No....what I see are people who are disgruntled and can't see the good in something that's....well.....GOOD for the district. Just because YOUR school and YOUR child's class weren't chosen, people like you want to see the bad in the story. How about being gracious and congratulating Coleman, and Ms. Haley and her class for such a wonderful opportunity.
November 21, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
thanks tydej and others for actually reading what I posted. "According the MO DESE, In 2009 which appears to be before redistricting:" I merely repeated posted the facts and did not misrepresent anything. I'm merely trying to interject fact into the argument. Don't you think that if I had the current numbers I would have posted them. MM1967 was making a point which needed to be corrected regarding attendance. BEFORE the schools received more students Coleman already had 100 more students than Skaith. The apartment complex was already on line in 2009 so that was in the Skaith 2009 numbers.
Heritage if you have access to more up to date numbers please post them. I did not represent them to be anything than what they were.
November 21, 2009 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
drbjr,
You have not corrected me at all because you fail to understand I was talking about2009-2010 school year.I can tell you Parkway has just a few numbers shy of 500 students and have no trailers to handle the growth redistricting and school closing caused as Colemen does,I can also tell you Skaith has grown this years as well as Hyde.I have heard redistrict ing caused Colemans numbers to go down this year.So I do not see where you have correcteed me by posting last years numbers but a good try anyways drbjr.
November 21, 2009 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Colemans numbers had to go down because of the transfer policy being done away with and students having to go to the school where they lived so this took alot of the students away from this school.
November 21, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
mm1967, please provide the source of your information. No "I heard it froms", but real sources. I went out and looked at the BOE minutes to see it I could find information there but no success.
Pretty much all schools grew because two schools were closed. That's simple math. From looking at the map it appears that Skaith was getting less than 50 more students. Coleman was already rated as overcrowded so that would be a good reason not to give it more students.
http://npgdigital.net/images/schooldi...
I did not fail in understanding you. I was merely providing source documentation that in fact Coleman does have more than 500 students. If you want current maybe we can call Dr. Pierce and see what the enrollment was on Friday. You have repeatedly failed in the ability or willingness to research your facts before posting them. Instead you seem willing to put what lawyers call hearsay rather than facts.
November 21, 2009 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
The goal should be how to capitalize on this study after Intel goes away, turn it into a educational program and make it a continuous process to be funded in all schools. If there was one teacher in the entire district who was selected as being the only "qualified" person to handle this type of study, then effort needs to be placed on getting others within the district to that level, and that requires investment in training, funding. There is such a unique opportunity here to carry it to higher levels, and that should be looked at and capitalized on. Could be a good campaign argument for that permenant levy thing when it comes up again instead of the "black cloud" scenario. These are directions long range planning should take. Progression opportunities for all students, all schools. Simple concept, one this community continues struggle with.
November 21, 2009 at 6:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I said in a previous post if you knew how to read I would call and get these number but I also told you the other schools growth and I yold you I know one of them for sure my children attend there and the other I will get numbers but I can tell through parents of friends of my children that got moved either to Hyde or Skaith that their numbers went up as well.You also fail to see one of my points if Coleman has 500 students they have trailers to handle the children and I told you one school Parkway had less then a handfull from 500 students and they have no trailers and Hyde is small and had around that number as well and has no trailers to handle the extra students.Why?I also looked at the SJSD web page and could not find numbers for this year in the schools it is going to take a phone call Monday.They have got their levy back and 2 less school even thoufgh it is still going to put them into financial distress before the levy expires they need to address this overcrowding issue they have caused in the schools.
John C
you are correct with you comment that progression opportunities for all children,all schools.Which is a concept they have not understood at the administration level yet.Also they still have a hugh PR problem and as I said month ago IF they got the levy passed they would go back to STATUS QUO and look they have in my opinion and have not learned anything as of yet.
November 21, 2009 at 7:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
mm you fail. From what I see you post without facts and when you are disproved you change the rules. You remind me of the old cartoon trick "I dare you to step across that line,.. OK now step across that line" you just keep backing up and well you better have a parachute cause there is a cliff right behind you and you are about to fall off. You have absolutely no credibility when it comes to posting on any school issue. I'm not happy with everything the SJSD does but you really need to be a little less bias and recognize the positives. here is a little self help for you.
http://depression.about.com/cs/psycho...
November 21, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Fantome,I think you have lost your mind and fail to see the issues.But that's ok it's your opinion.And I can garrentee you I will not fall.No crediablitity.Parkweay has 500 studentsa and is over crowded and Coleman has as of last year over 500 students and they have trailers to accomidate the additional students and parkway does not.Where are their trailers for overcrowding?.Growth has happened in the SE and the school there also have had growth and need additional room and the district hads said this and this is not creditable?Did the school closing affect any of the schools in the NE the answer would be NO but the closing of Webster did because they transfered them to Edision and they had NCLB sanctions and this allowed transfers another fact and a bad decsion on the SJSD part closing Webster.
As far as your smart a$$ remark about help you may want to use it yourself since you did all of the time to research it because beleive me I do not need it but thanks for offering anyways.
So actually before you speak you may want to check on the issues I spoke of above before you assume as well.So for as your comment on my credability on the school issues you have no clue who I am and how much credability I actually do have.
November 21, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
I would also suggest you get a spell checker or at least calm down before you type. You have admitted your hatred and dislike of the northeast part of town. Why? Petty jealousy I would presume. I too was not for the levy however I'm sure we have totally differing reasons. You hide behind fiscal responsibility and unfair treatment if anything goes to Coleman or Field elementary schools, but you would be singing a different tune if your child's school were to benefit from anything. I know no other way to say this without sounding smug but you have stated you pay taxes just like people in the northeastern part of town do, well that might be true but I doubt you pay as much.
November 21, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Fatome,
We do not need to grammer police.Also I have said equal education in all schools this means exactly what it say's EQUAL not just my childrens school or Coleman but ALL schools.
Hey as far as taxes you have no idea what we pay and as I told you our community it pretty new as the homes and all of the homes around us so we pay our fair share of taxes if you doubt it or not I really do not care.
Let me tell you this again Equal and fair opportunities and education for all children and all schools.And if you believe this happens I have a hugh piece of beach front property here in town I will sell you since you are so gullable.
November 22, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Look all I am asking for as well as some other parents is Equal education and Equal opportunities for Children In all schools.
This is something that has not happened in years clear back to when I went to school here and that was several years ago.
If this gets me jumped on by the people from the NE so be it but I think it is only fair that this happens.
This is something that needs to be addressed in the long term planning.
I am man enough to apoligize for coming off so strong on the issue but the fact still remains there is not equal education and equal opportinities in all of the schools for all of the community's children and this is a must.
November 22, 2009 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
"Equal education and Equal opportunities for Children In all schools" If you truly think your children are not getting the same quality of education then I have a bridge to sell you. Does the SJSD hold secret meetings when they are hiring perspective teachers and when they come across an above average candidate they say "Well this person was top of their class we need to make sure they don't go to Parkway or Hyde, Lindbergh, or Lake Contrary." Of course they don't. If one school has something that another does not you can almost bet it has something to do with a fund-raising event the school itself had. I have personally donated a computer to one of my kids classes. Was that unfair to the other classes in the school? Did I give my child an unfair advantage?
Ultimately what it comes down to is parental involvement I'm not suggesting you spend a bunch of money but instead of bit*hing and moaning behind your computer do something. If this netbook thing is so important to you find a company or companies in your area that might be willing to donate money or netbooks themselves.
November 22, 2009 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
mm1967,
Again....PLEASE tell me you aren't advocating that unless something is offered to ALL schools and ALL students in the STSD, NO ONE gets it?? What a short-sighted, selfish way of looking at progress!!
November 22, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm please let this go, you are wrong and you have yet to ever admit to being wrong and I don't you ever will. You have taken a nice positive story and showcase your petty hatred towards the east and the school district. You never answered the question, what does Coleman kids get that kids in your school does not get. Give specific examples,
this is a program given to one class, not a school -
November 22, 2009 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Pops,
That is not selfish it is a matter of equal opportunity's in all schools and for all children.This is not different then equal opportunity's in the work place. I guess this is something you do not seem to understand pops,because you always want tot turn it around the otherway towards me.I would bet you my last dollar if you walked into Lake Contrary and then walked into Coleman or Field you would find the differences I speak of.I think that statement of selfishness is needed to be turned around the other way.
Wonder what would happen if a complaint with the district about equal education and equal opportunity's in all schools for all children?
Fantome,
You still fail to see what I am talking about and believe me I have not failed to give my children anything the district has just because of where I chose to live plain and simple.
And for your information since you have not posted to much on here since you joined in May I have posted several times we are very involved with our childrens education and school.
November 22, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
mm1967-"And for your information since you have not posted to much on here since you joined in May I have posted several times we are very involved with our childrens education and school."
REALLY!!!!!!!! I did not realize that all I needed to do was complain in a public forum. So I have to post a lot here complaining now I see the error of my ways. I have foolishly been participating in PTA activities and fundraisers for my child's school. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
November 22, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Yea really we are very involved and we also Have Honor roll students.If you do not like my complaing do not read it.I have went back and read some of your and I have to say well I will just leave it at that.
Like I said if you like it or not and if it affects you so be it EQUAL EDUCATION AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY'S for all children and all schools.
November 22, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rodgers says...
Please everyone -- until we know whether it was Coleman that applied for the grant, please stop all the hating. Also, Coleman has a very low turnover rate, so most of the students will be back after Christmas. In other schools, lots of the students would switch schools or even leave town. In order to get good data for Intel (and after all, Intel is doing this so they can get good data) they need a school with the best chance of doing that. And I second everyone's comments about Glenda Haley. Glenda goes above and beyond every single day.
November 22, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
I have to say discussing something with you is like arguing with my Honor roll student. (I have one of those too.) Unwilling to admit if you are wrong and always have to get the last word in.
As to my previous posts I suppose some may seem controversial but at some point I am willing to concede defeat and just stop posting which is what you always fail to do. Just look at all the posts between sense and you. The majority of my posts have been about my Muslim faith and let me just say that if that's what you were talking about you had better leave it at that.
November 22, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I better leave it at that?Or what?Seems like you might be a little jumpy.I have my beliefs about that and I do not trust you at all.
November 22, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Fantome,
Please Do not bring you beliefs and religion into this it has nothing to do with this at all.
November 22, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
I don't really want to turn this into an epic sense/apple v.s. mm1967 debate type thread so I will call UNCLE. I bow to your superiority both moral and mental. BTW I stumbled across your MySpace page http://www.myspace.com/ba11zd33p
November 22, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mrwench says...
I find it concerning that oddly I can't place a comment on the story regarding the four year old who was molested and the guy who may only get 4 months for committing the act but I can commit on everything else. What is up with that?
November 22, 2009 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
Probably NP policy. Not much real discussion there. Besides, the guy got 15 years with 4 months of shock time while they try to locate community based programs to help the guy. Doubt it.
November 22, 2009 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
How sad, a great story so positive for both the community and the district taken to this level. MM you never answer questions you can't answer. What does Coleman get that your school does not get. Have you ever even been in Coleman. Thought not -
As for the engagement of the community I have said you can't engage all the people and mm is a classic example as to why. He cares not to find solutions and work as the community as a whole. He only sees hate and cannot see anyone in the east without distaste.
We need people from all aspects of the community, but only those seeking solutions and make the district better.
November 22, 2009 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
map says...
I decided that I needed a good laugh today, so I read the blogs! I am the principal at Coleman and I also taught at Humboldt and Ellison Schools and was once the principal at Skaith. All of these schools are quality schools, with quality teachers and principals who have areas of strength and points of pride to share. I'd like to clarify your "concerns" about the Intel project. For years, all St. Joseph Schools have written long-range School Improvement Plans (SIPs) to guide their professional development efforts and their learning goals. For over 10 years, the Coleman staff and parents listed the integration of technology as a priority for our students and staff. We wrote several grants over the past few years that funded additional tech training. One of those training events was the "Apple Classroom of Tomorrow Teacher Development Program." Through the Coleman staff's innovative use of district-provided technology (the same computers and software that are available in every other school in town), we were named a Northwest Missouri Technology Professional Development School by the MODESE and we opened our doors to educators and state legislators. Each year we expanded our SIP plan to include technology innovation. When approached by Intel, the school SIP plans were used to determine which schools had a history of placing a high priority on technology. Coleman fit the criteria and was determined, by Intel, to be a perfect match.
I feel sorry for those who are constantly trying to pit one school or one part of town against the other. For example, there are many schools in town that receive Title 1 federal funding which Coleman does not receive, but you don't see our parents and teachers crying the blues on these blogs. By the way, Coleman has 28% free and reduced lunch.
As for publicity, our projects and successes speak for themselves. Many times they are newsworthy. We are creative, innovative, and we work hard. If your school is not getting the publicity that you would like to see, join your PTA or speak to your principal about getting more newsworthy articles in the paper. If you want your school to focus on technology, find out if it's in the school's SIP plan. Good things are happening in all of our schools. Most of these blogs don't make sense, and many of you speak without any real knowledge of the subject. Others just like to play the blog game and try to get people stirred up. Rabbler Rouser, you're definitely the minority....and mm1967, you evidently don't know me...I care about kids and many of the students on transfer were the children of single moms or parents who relied on grandma and grandpa as babysitters so they could work and make a living. I take my job very seriously and care about kids, so please refrain from personal comments when you have no idea who I am. Let's be happy about the successes in all of our schools instead of looking for trouble where it doesn't exist.
November 22, 2009 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
map says...
PS...Where were some of you over the last 5 years when Coleman was larger than all 4 middle schools, had 30 and 31 students in a classroom, lost its art room and added a trailer, had no reading teachers and 1 secretary and principal for 540 students? Did anyone care about that?
November 22, 2009 at 7:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Map,
I Understand your points and I am very glad you do what you do for your school.
To me this is not about publicity for our school it is about equal education and equal opportunity's in all school in the SJSD.I would have thought if your school had this many students you would have not accepted any more transfers because of overcrowding.Now this year our school is overcrowded(a handfull from 500 students) and we have no trailers to handle the additional children who have been moved to our school due to the school closings and redistricting.We also have a very great staff at our school and our principle is great and we could not ask for a better staff.But we could ask for the overcrowding issues to be addressed.We could also ask for our computer classroom back,our art room back,our music room back.Our school also has very dedicated parents and volunteers and we want the best for our children as all parents do.I happen to just speak out when our children get pushed and shoved by the district and we cannot get any answers.You know our computer lab is on wheels and our teacher has to go to class room to class room and set up each time how much time do you think allows for her with our children? The levy was passed and there is 2 less school to fund and they were not going to close them if the levy had passed in April till 2011 so now that it has passed lets solve some of the issues such as overcrowding in our schools.
Also by your teaching in these other school you know as well as I do this community is divided when it comes to this subject and always has been and needs to change.
There is also a hugh trust issue and a hugh PR problem with your employer in the community and they have learned nothing as of yet on this issue.It also seems like now that the levy has passed they are going back to STATUS QUO.So you see there is some trouble that exist and needs addressed.
Now to your 7:14 pm post we have this issue now and I am not going to sit by for 5 years and not express my concerns over the situation it needs to change.
November 22, 2009 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
map - don't address mm- he is simply as sad hateful person and nothing you say will ever change his attitude or opinion. I would recommend to you as a person in your position, nothing good will come from your engagement with this person.
His comments to you have nothing to do with the story, no does he even touch the points you made regarding your efforts in going after programs such as this story is about. He will use anything you say against you and the district. These posts is not where you want to have these discussions.
My opinion, my opinion only.
MM - please answer this question - have you ever been inside Coleman and do you know what Coleman has that your school does not have, yes or no - if the answer is no - shut up -
November 22, 2009 at 7:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
map says...
Point taken. We all need to work together to improve communication. Hope I clarified the Intel issue. Have a great night.
November 22, 2009 at 7:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brennen says...
mm1967,
I think you should pack up your family and move to the NE side of town. I guess if you REALLY want what's best for your kids, then that's the solution. It's all here, right? Sell your home, heck, rent an apartment until you can find just the right place. Then I guess you won't have anything to complain about.
November 22, 2009 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
map - I think it's great you came on here and provided that information, I just didn't want you to get drug down. Thanks
November 22, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Map thanks for at least answering with point taken comment.I hope you might have some idea where I am coming from I am not against you school or the children in your school and I did say this is a great thing for our school district.I might come off a little ruff but it out of concern for my childrens education and the entire community's childrens education as well.
And this is a true statement from me apple so before you spout off think before you reply.
Apple/Sence
Now come on I have never done the things you have done calling Benton High School girls Trash and southside people belong at the bottom of a lake.Not to mention calling people Haters,Idiots,Stupid do we need to go on and on Apple?
And apple that is the problem there needs to be engagement with all of the people in this community.The mad ones the happy ones, the contents ones and so forth.But it is people like you that does not want this to happen.
No you are wrong Brennen if I did live in the NE I would still stick up for the other guys and other schools and for equal education and equal opportunity's for all of the community's children.You see this is because I never forget where I came from and will never forget the things I have seen and that their is not equality in all of the schools.
November 22, 2009 at 8:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
mm1967, you do know that all Coleman and Field kids get:
1. A student directory bound in embossed leather.
2. Special direction and training on how to get better grades in high school
3. Cafeteria's with chefs trained at the Culinary Institute of America.
4. Field trips to Chicago and New York aboard the special chartered 757s.
5. Special guest teachers with PhDs in their subject area.
6. All new books every year.
7. All new PE equipment every year.
8. Unlimited art supplies.
9. Christmas programs are recorded and video'd and free CDs and DVDs are distributed to the families in hand crafted cases.
10. Play day includes visits from pro athletes who compete with the kids.
11. The real Santa visits these kids and brings them Xbox360s, Wiis, Gamecubes, playstations, etc. with 55 inch plasma TVs to play them on.
I'm trying to figure something out ... a couple of months ago I believe you said your kids go to Hyde ... but recently your posts state you live in the SE near Riverside Road. That is a long way from Hyde boundaries. Just wondering.
November 22, 2009 at 8:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I never said my kids went to Hyde Oh but maybe we got a transfer.I like your smart comment this will progress this city further into the future with people like you commenting like this. It really is none of your business where my children attend school.
But while you are at it why dont you tell Santa some of the other schools could use a trailer or 2 to help with the overcrowding issues maybe he will come through for us.
November 22, 2009 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
the question is a simple one mm - have you ever been to Coleman to know what they have, if so, what do the kids at Coleman have your kids don't get - simple question, yes or no - what is it -
November 22, 2009 at 9:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm - I never called anyone trash - I said a joke, a funny one like - do you know why Nebraska football players wear an N on their helmets, they think it stands for knowledge -
the joke was - do you know what the differance between a southside girl and trash is - trash at least gets taken out once an week -
it was said to get under your skin - and of course it worked -
November 22, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
i don't really think dr. pierce's comments end or start on a very good note. first, we have a principal who comes to a forum for a "good laugh"? dr. pierce, i find that flippant beyond words. in closing you found it impossible to resist taking a shot at rabble rouser....... the post script is further evidence of your need to validate yourself.
the "profiles of the schools" on the sjsd site have not been updated since 07-08 , but i am astounded that you chose to bring in the snipe regarding title one funding, especially in light of the comparatively low percentage of free lunch students you enjoy at coleman. i am certain the numbers have changed and sadly the district has chosen not to update this information so accurate comparison can be made, but Surely you do not mean to insinute that you would begrudge a school such as humboldt, laboring under the weight of 92% free lunch stats ,the assistance they recieve? that would be irresponsible in excess.
November 22, 2009 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
I think its fair to say Coleman has faced overcrowding for a very long time dispite what the numbers today may or may not be. My kids went to Coleman and I can tell you they had large class sizes and no art room at the time. I know for a fact many transfers were not from higher income, in fact I believe Coleman caused their own overcrowding by accepting more transfers than they should, in fact, Im not aware of Coleman ever turning down a transfer.
MM claims to be speaking up for kids the district treats as second fiddle, yet when asked what East side kids get that his kids schools don't, he can't answer. This is the problem with so many in this community, they feel as if someone is getting more than them or they are entitled to things that don't exist. Its time to grow up, mm you say your kids are honor roll students so they must be getting a good education so whats the problem?
Simpy put, if you don't know what the other schools have or don't have, how can you claim they get more than your kids.
Dispite coutless people even Sarah telling mm is off base regarding this artical he just can't accept it.
Its time for this commuity to move to a more positive and constructive conversation and those such as mm go back into their dark hole and be gone -
November 22, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
No apple/sence I would love to go back and find you exact post but since they all were deleted I cannot but you did not say a southside girl you said a Benton Girl and I did not find any humor in it as well as I am sure a few Benton High school parents did not as well.
Lets turn this table a little bit apple what does Hyde Have,Parkway,Marktwain,Skaith,and so forth do not have that Coleman has.One I will tell you is about the same number of students and these schools do not have no trailers to handle these additional students so that one for sure.Is it not?
November 22, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brennen says...
I come to this forum all the time for a "good laugh", I read it's your call for a "good laugh", and sometimes I even read the St. Joseph News Press for a "good laugh". I wouldn't begrudge anyone from laughing. I think there are too many sour pusses on this forum who need a "good laugh". Most of the time if you say black someone will say white, if you say middle-class they will say Title 1, if you say crowded schools, they will say transfers. It doesn't matter. I am laughing right now!
November 22, 2009 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
Here is a suggestion, move forward in constructive and postive ways by encouraging the Long Range Planning Committee to put less focus on consulting groups and more focuse on how projects like this can be implemented it their fullest potential in all schools. If there are certain schools that do not meet criteria because it is clear that was brought out on here, then this committee should be focused on finding solutions to get those schools in making that criteria. As to the information presented about the Intel project and other things concerning several schools, Sarah is absolutely correct, this is valuable information that could be posted on internet sites. As to the schools that are in Title 1 status, this is another issue the long Range Committee should tackle, find solutions to get those schools out of that status, unless the district and public do not want them to, and we always stay in status quo. As a citizen and taxpayer, I ultimately want to see my tax dollars that go to education go to improvements of educational processes across the board, not for percentage increases to free lunch programs and continual support of schools in
Title one status that remain the same year after year. Title One status in my view means opportunity to improve and get of that status, just like NCLB. A program designed to improve.
November 22, 2009 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brennen says...
Your missing the point here. What Dr. Pierce is saying is that Coleman's priority (SIP plan) may be to expand their technology, Hosea or Hyde's SIP plan may be on behavior, grades, or attendance. That's the same way with a certain household's plan, should I use my bonus this year to pay towards our mortgage versus, how are we going to make our housepayment this month. Different schools have different needs, and I doubt some of those schools needs right now are on technology. The teachers and principals are doing what's best for their school
November 22, 2009 at 11:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
I disagree. Schools are not households, they are in the business of education. The goal should be to get all schools up to speed on technologies associated with the real world. That is how many people work in their careers right now. Behavior issues are a social issue, and if SIP plans are focused on those issues as primary needs, then more focus needs to be placed in the social services areas on how to combat that. Schools need to gear their environments towards education. Again this is where the Long Range Committee should apply its focus. Dig up those SIPs and see if they appropriately address the educational needs and future improvement goals. Have they met the goals stated five years ago, 10 years ago, if not, why not? Obviously there is a disconnect somewhere, when we had several schools not meet NCLB. So was that issue addressed in any SIP several years back and were the goals met? And if some school needs are not on technology, then why? They should be, they all should be, there is no excuse for any school not to be. Find the right resources to address the social issues and work on education improvements in tandum. Lets take those SIPs further. Where are plans to address future states of building conditions, evironments, etc? These are the things that should have been brought up during the levy issue.
November 22, 2009 at 11:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
john as always, excellent and well supported points.
November 23, 2009 at 6:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
This will be my last comment on this tired ol' thread!!
mm1967....what part of "pilot program" do you not understand?
November 23, 2009 at 6:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
so mm you have never been to Coleman and for years when Coleman was overcrowed and still today, where was your outrage? You come on here and say dumb things without even knowing what you are talking about -
John - this is a pilot program that the district got for one classroom in a school - this has nothing to do with long range plan and Im tired of people making federal cases out of nothing and draggin a positive story into some negative thing.
Sarah - this is not the first time you railroaded a positive story regarding the school district, Newspress had a story about the new teachers coming to the schools the start of the year and your kept posting your negative viewpoints.
Sara, John and mm have their own version of what our schools should be, when they are defeated by the voters or by the board, miss, "I will support the effort" they come on here and stomp thier feet like little children.
I am so thankful it seems this community is beginning to evolve beyond them.
November 23, 2009 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/Sence what about my question any answers from you I told you one thing they had other school with overcrowding issues did not have.And if you think just because the levy passed people are not still mad you must have not looked at the 7000 voters that were aginst the levy and the 2000 that did not vote probably out of discuss with the district.You are lost if you really think their is nobody still upset.
If you think I am stoping my feet well maybe you are right I just want the class sizes and other issues solved in the other schools that if you have not forgotten and you have admitted several times yourself solved.They have had almost a month to work on some of these issue but they have not learned a thing and are sitting behind their desk drawing thier pay and our money as tax payers and doing nothing.Well we have hope in April in new board members.You are not open to anything other then your veiw points.
November 23, 2009 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Pops what do you not understand about what the heck I have been saying?Maybe you have blinders on still.Who knows some people just like the status quo.
November 23, 2009 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Coleman had been overcrowded for a long time before trailers were brought in and they came before a school year when they budgeted for them. You yourself know that the new levy does not take become part of the school budget until December of 2010.
Your comments have NOTHING to do with this stoy and your small minded thinking that this artical is another example of the East schools getting something your kids don't.
Kids could be going to nice brand new schools but voters voted it down, the district needed to close down schools, what did you want them to do, close the onle east side school down, Coleman?
Why can't you answer a simple question, have you been to Coleman, do you know how crowded they are? I said they brought in trailers, I didn't say that solved anything.
Lets see, you think the district is killing your kids with the H1N1 and now you think the district is bad for getting a pilot program, one of the very few in the nation. Wow -
Get some self respect back - admit to everyone you are way off base on your comments on this artical, admit you are wrong and maybe, just maybe some people will listen to what you say, if not you will always be looked upon as some negative hateful person who will never be able to see common reason. By the looks of these posts, not just my opinion, your choice.
November 23, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lamplighter says...
Has anyone asked if Intel or the software publishers had any input in the selection of Coleman for this program? This is a wonderful opportunity for our school district, regardless of the school chosen. There are always going to be people unhappy with the whatever/whoever/however decisions the SJSD makes on behalf of district schools.
Molly Pierce runs an excellent school which receives statewide recognition on a regular basis. She is a hard working dedicated professional. Yes, she likes publicity for her school because she's proud of the accomplishments of student and teachers.
I would guess that Rabble Rouser is a disgruntled parent and for every disgruntled parent at Coleman there are many more parents that would welcome the opportunity to sing her praises.
Sarah/Heritage..your personal attack on a district principal doesn't bode well for winning the vote in April's at-large city council race.
November 23, 2009 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Yea kids in ,idtown could be going to a supersized school that is not what the children in this area of town need and it would not be good for them they need their neighborhood schools and the school to the NE and WAS NOT GOING TO BE A SUPERSIZED SCHOOL but is needed but so is some of the other schools in need expansions or need replaced as well.We have had this conversation before and you cannot see past the NE school and you know it.Don't flip out again apple.
November 23, 2009 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I am glad the district has this opportunity to have this program and appreciate the principle at least explaining a few things and she admitted we need to communicate.What I do not understand is some of the other issues I have spoke of and I may come off harsh but by damn why cannot the people in charge see that their are issues and resove them they made the damn problems now they got what they wanted and now they are going back to STATUS QUO and alienationg the community and acting as if everything is all fine and dandy.It is not we still have the fallout of the issues I have mentioned.
November 23, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
lamplighter,
Heritages position on the schools or anything associated with the schools has anything to do with her running for council.So it should not be construded to look that way.
November 23, 2009 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Again mm - have you ever been to Coleman to see for yourself what they have - you keep saying status que - how do you know what status quo is if you don't even know the status -
Your comments were against this progam and this story, are you now saying you were wrong to speak out agains the program and the story -
November 23, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
i am not runing at large, lamplighter, but thank you for that advice! i don't do politician-speak, so if my personal assessment of the comments made offends you at least you know i will not sugar coat and disseminate to garner support.
i am certain that my views on the school issue will be under scrutiny.
November 23, 2009 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lamplighter says...
Heritage..everything is under scrutiny when someone runs for public office. I am not offended by your view of Dr. Pierce's post..I simply disagree with your perception of her statements. I don't believe you know her personally and it's very easy for misperceptions to occur when commenting in a forum of this nature.
November 23, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localgirl says...
Heritage,
I hope you don't mind my saying this because often times I think you have some reflective posts, but your remarks about Dr. Pierce are unfounded. I don't think that Dr. Pierce is seeking to validate herself, but I feel compelled to validate her as an professional educator dedicated to her students. I was one of her elementary school students when Dr. Pierce was principal at Skaith. I was also on Free Lunch as were many of my friends. I can assure you that we were treated no differently than the other children at our school and that our principal didn't begrudge us. Dr. Pierce is one of my personal role models and has had a positive impact on my life. My education at Skaith was "creative, innovative, and hardworking", just like Dr. Pierce described the atmosphere at Coleman. These are professional qualities that Dr. Pierce brings to her job. I'm sorry she can't be the principal at every school in the district for she is a person of great integrity and has a passion for learning. Whatever sort of advocacy you hope to promote for Free Lunch kids, please know that we're not all disadvantaged when we grow up. In fact, I can hardly consider myself disadvantaged when I was in elementary school because I know that my principal and my teachers provided me with a stellar education. More than that, I was taught to value my intellect in a way not to offend, oppress, or harm other people. Please know, that I am responding to you now because your comment about Dr. Pierce has a tone that doesn't sit well with me personally. You seem intelligent and have some great opinions, I hope that you will use them to add value to our local discourse and refrain from attacking others. I am happy that Intel chose one of our local schools to participate in the the technological future of education. I'm not surprised to learn that Coleman received the opportunity. I know Dr. Pierce's students are highly qualified for the job! Go Cougars!
November 23, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Again apple you have failed to answer several of my questions as well.I did answer you that this school has one thing that the rest do not and you cannot understand this but that is expected from you.
What I want to know is what does it take to get all schools and children equal opportunity's and equal education in all of the schools?Anybody.
November 23, 2009 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
After watching the video the students seem so happy and I am glad for them.350 dollars a piece per student compaired to what is the price of all text books per student?Or is all of our text book outdated in the schools. OR have our district not bought new text books for years to keep up to date with the ever changing education practices?Now if this test works out and the info gathered is on a positive note then I think if the price is compairable to the price of text books per students then the district needs to look at implementing this in the schools all schools.
November 23, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
lamplighter, you are correct in mentioning that often comments can be taken out of the context of conversation on the comments. i was , and remain uncomfortable with the choice to point out that coleman has no title one funding...... and the PS regarding the "did any one care about coleman's overcrowding "? .......
coleman is, by comparison, a very priveleged and excellent school. coming here to clarify a point on the program was an excellent thing to do. perhaps, dr. pierce should have left well enough alone? but then she is only human, and just as the BOE is often characterized as feeling "put upon" i can see that many administrators might feel embattled.
i appreciate very well that scrutiny will be part of my life in the coming months. it was part of the difficult decision i made when i decided to try to participate in the process. surely i got a small sample of it from my activism in the levy issue!
November 23, 2009 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
I don't really understand you mm - Coleman has a few trailers, is that what you want - trailers? Im not even sure if they have them today, but again I can tell you Coleman was overcrowded for years before they got them. Really, your envy of trailers?
This is childish, your the one that came on here and posted negative comments about the school district because Coleman was selected as the story puts it 25 students to be part of a national pilot program and you now go on and on about being unfair.
So and I know you will not answer because you don't answer direct questions - Have you ever been to Coleman to see what they have that your school does not have? Yes or no -
Do you know for a fact what advantages Coleman has over your school - lets hear them, give me a list.
I beleive I have asked you these questions long before you tried avoiding them and trying to ask your own questiions.
You say education is not fair to all students, what reasons to you give for this, specific facts, why do you say that -
November 23, 2009 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
so H - explain by what you mean when you say Coleman is a "priveleged school" sounds like you feel they get special treatment - in what ways -
November 23, 2009 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
sense you should realize mm won't answer your questions. I have learned if he does he will either disqualify the question or he see's that his argument is invalid and come up with entirely new reason to be against whatever it is he may be babbling about.
Also how do we know map is Dr. Pierce? The comments map made shouldn't really be attributed to her unless it is verified that she did indeed make the comments here.
November 23, 2009 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
according to past assessments of free lunch recipients, which is a widely accepted indicator for economic level, coleman is privileged. the outdated "profiles" showed coleman as being third behind ellison and field in F/RL numbers.
November 23, 2009 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
coleman currently has 489 students enrolled, and dr. pierce is unavailable this afternoon, due to family illness, which i wish the best outcome for.
November 23, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple first and formost I do not answer people like you because you will just turn it around to fit your needs and opinions either right or wrong this is the reason you get no answers from me.And since you have lead a sheltered life in the NE you have noidea how it is in any of the other school but that right you think some children in the district are trash or belong at the bottom of a lake,or are idiots,haters,stupid and on and on.Get out and see the real community and come out of your shell and you will be able to see for yourself.
November 23, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/sence it is people like you that will continue to have a closed mind to anything if it does not better you and you will keep this community from progression because it does not benefit your area.You all continue to sit on your perches in the NE and look down on the rest of the community and I am here to tell you go ahead and keep it up it will eventially come back to bite you.This community is stll divided look at the election result for the levy and you will find it for yourself how divided it is.
November 23, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
how can I turn around a yes or no answer - and I have spent a great deal of time in the southend schools. Sheltered, you have no idea of my life, I live in the NE doesn't mean Im rich nor I had to work hard and go through some tuff times.
Stop bringing up posts out of context, and answer a question, have you ever been to Coleman? Yes or no its simple and what do they get that your school does not get.
Sarah - calling a school privileged becasue of the free and reduced lunches they serve, really - my child is privileged because I can afford to feed them, wow, have we ever lowered the bar here.
MM - you don't answer questions because your aswers make you look even more foolish than your posts do - I mock you -
November 23, 2009 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lamplighter says...
Heritage..how do you know Dr Pierce is out today because of family illness?
November 23, 2009 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm likes these jokes - did you here mm was found frozen last February at the Drive In movie theatre - he left a not at home that said he was going to the drive in to see "See You Next Spring"
No mm - you are the one that will keep everyone divided, your the one that hates anyone from the east, I just dislike you, don't really care where you live.
Anyone who would bring such a negative posts and a great story about 25 students selected for a national pilot program which very few in the nation get a chance to, because your school was not chosen. Your attidude is pity, self centered, selfess and wrong. No matter how many here tell you that you just keep putting your foot in your month. To accuse me of negativity is laughable, I would have been the first to say great news if the program would have went to Hosea, Hyde, anywhere, it never even occured to me anyone would be mad at where a pilot program that affected 25 students in one school went to.
You hate the district, and anyone from the East, you are a sad person, get help fast.
November 23, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
because i called and the school told me, lamp. i wanted to verify that the poster calling herself MAP is indeed dr. pierce, as suggested.
apple, you should be well aware that f/rl lunch numbers are a long accepted indicator of SES. and YES, since numbers for humboldt consistently rank in the 90 percentiles you should be darn grateful that you can feed your children. the only bar some of those children are looking for is the nutrigrain in their backpack buddies..... GMAB
November 23, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
interesting that no one has commented on the articles i posted here that would indicate that there could be a possible local connection to this program.
November 23, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
I make no judgements on those needing assistance, I just don't think families who simply can afford to pay for thier kids to eat a lunch at school should be considered as you put it prividge. Sarah - to bad you did call the district to ask your orginal question you posted here, all this could have been avoided, of course thats not what you wanted, was it -
November 23, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lamplighter says...
Heritage..you called the school to verify that map is Dr Pierce ?!!! Unbelievable..Did you like it when 238er posted clues to your address on the website? Our tax dollars pay Dr Pierce's salary and you wanted to verify her username for something that was posted on a weekend and not during working hours..She has more important things to do than verify she posted something in the NP comments section..and yes, Molly Pierce is a friend of mine and I'm proud of it.
November 23, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
the district has not actually given the full answer as to how st joseph has become part of this program. there are several other factors which had not yet been nailed down and which should come to light as this progresses.
as i said, carnack, i grow weary of your divining my intentions, but forge ahead.
you must be being deliberately obtuse on the SES issues, because you and i have been around the block on my in depth examination of that aspect of our school system in the last election cycle. this IS why i began to choose not to respond to your questions apple, and why i am holding my tongue now.
November 23, 2009 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Im going to have so much fun with you in the next couple of months, hey mm - got any answers yet, will someone call Coleman and inform them a strange man my be running into your school today so he can posts that he has been to Coleman -
Sarah - why can't you just say, its great the district got this - why must you divide, if this program did go to Hosea you would have said nothing, how sad.
November 23, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
fantome asked if anyone had confirmed if this was actually dr. pierce.
the poster claimed to be dr. pierce. if someone where posting in my name here and i was unaware of it i would like to know. furthermore, i wanted to discuss the post with dr. pierce.
i didn't call dr pierce's home....... i called her office. i have called a number of BOE members at their listed numbers,as i expect i would also recieve calls were i lucky enough to be elected to a public office.
i didn't want to simply say Dr. Pierce was "unavailable", which could have given rise to discussion about calls not being taken. darned if you don't..... or if you do.
November 23, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
guess I don't understand why you felt the need to post that you called or the need to tell everyone that she was gone on for medical reasons. Not even sure if the school should have even told you that.
November 23, 2009 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Thanks Heritage 489 is less then our school.Wheres our new school I wonder or the plans for one we have grown in size I wonder.Oh that's right our area has not grown I sorry I forgot only one area has grown.
November 23, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Sence or APPLE as better know and which you are showing your colors again.You will not have fun with anybody you will get yourselftaken off of here again.
What wrong with making these calls.It was pointed out that the enrollment numbers and I myself called today to get numbers.I do not see the issue.You are right Heritage darned if you do darned if you don't these people are not any easier to please and they think we are bad.HA
November 23, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
so MM - any answer to my question - oh and Sara, did you ask the numbers of other schools as well.
mm - so you think they should have closed the only school in the East Coleman - You say Coleman gets more than your school, your school only recently been a little crowded while Coleman has been for years as the recent numbers indicate.
Coleman took every transfer that wanted one, you yourself attacked the school and thier policy of transfers saying they only took ones with money, you can't ever admit your wrong and you are so wrong regarding this.
What I have fun with is making you and those like you look like fools.
November 23, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/Sence,
I have no problem wit hthe community to the EAST just some of the NE.
No answer on the election numbers apple that shot your therory all to heck.This community is still divided and like it was said if this levy was pushed through and they have admitted that they will need more before it expires in 5 years and the reason it passed was the NE it would further divide the community guess what it will watch and see.It may take awhile to see this but it will raise it head sooner or later just wait till it is time to vote on bond issues or another levy.
November 23, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple,
No schools should have been closed plain and simple not till there were ones to replace them.I here the 2nd floor of Webster is free maybe we could use it.Are you going to see that some of those trailers make it to schools with higher numbers for the overcrowding in them at this point?Let's talk about fools look in the mirror please.When you are ready to discuss the problems in the district lets us all know.Because all you do is critize the rest of the community for speaking up about what they see.
November 23, 2009 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
that had nothing to do with this discussion or this story. You came on here mad that this pilot program which invovloved 25 students in one class went to Coleman, you then said this is an example of Coleman and the NE getting more than your school.
I have asked over and over again, if you have ever been to Coleman so that you know what Coleman gets your school does not get. This story has nothing to do with the election, or the levy, this is about your comments on this story.
Yes or no, have you ever been to Coleman school - yes or no -
November 23, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
It is clear to see your nothing more than a bitter person, I hope you find employment soon, you need to focus your attention to what is more important to your family and stop taking your anger out on the district.
Yes or no - have you ever been to Coleman -
November 23, 2009 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott says...
An incomplete story leads to comments based on incomplete information. I must say reading a portion of these posts just makes me tired. Some of these diatribes remind me of the story of the man turning down a million dollars because to receive it he would have to allow his neighbor to receive two million.
How about the fact that we were selected at all? Do some of you not realize it was the confidence in the administration that created this opportunity in the first place? More importantly it was my confidence in this administration that created the opportunity for our district to participate.
There are three schools that are going to participate in this pilot out of 10,000's in the US that will not. The St. Joseph School District has the opportunity to determine in first principles how technology can further the acquisition of knowledge.
This pilot represents the culmination of 100's of hours of work and $1000's of dollars of expense, none of which has been borne by the schools participating. International firms in hardware, software and textbook publishing have come together to develop this pilot. Additionally, trainers in the use of technology in K-12 will be flown in to instruct pilot participants who can then share their knowledge with other teachers.
If the St. Joseph School District is successful in its execution of the pilot, it positions itself above competing school districts in the seeking of future grants due to the knowledge and experience gained. Any reasoned advocate of the betterment of our children's education should be cheering for our administrations success. SJSD's professional implementation can create the opportunity for all of our children to benefit.
I hope this is the beginning of something transformative for our students futures. I also hope that the firms supporting this pilot do not read some of these comments and judge the worthiness of their investment in our community by them.
WSB
November 23, 2009 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Great posts again, very positive win for the school district. Im sorry I have kept this conversation going with people who obviously will never see any positives in their lives. To be fair, mm is the one who mostly been posting negative comments which is nothing new for him. I trust those reading understand that. It would be nice for mm to apologize for his remarks, no one hold their breath.
I join the rest of the community in thanking the district for getting this done, job well done!
November 23, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Sence/Apple,
How can you say My advocating for the rest of the community's children for equal opportunity's and equal education negative?
Just because I want the rest of the community's children to be offered the same opportunity's.I am very lost with your comment on this being negiative.I said this is a good program for SJSD and I was glad for it.
Simple question do you think the district which had to be involved in this to allow this program to go to a school such as Lake Contrary,Humbolt or any of the other schools in a lower income bracket?
See some of your fellow NE residents have said things such as you people would just pawn them or steal them.Better one was you all probably do not have high speed internet.So you see the rest of this community has a reason to question things the SJSD does.And the people who have made comments like listed above do nothing more then divide the community further.
November 23, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Your not advocating anything but hatred and envy and you know it. Tell me something, if you were going to put this pilot program into service, which school which school makes the most sense to you? Be honest, which school makes the most sense, oh wait, you can't answer that before you answer, have you ever been in Coleman.
I would imagine home high speed internet has a higher household penetration than midtown or the south. Why would you find that offensive. As Sarah pointed out the free and reduced lunch numbers would indicate the household statistics, just plain facts.
November 23, 2009 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
These notebook could be wireless could they not?I am almost betting they are.So what does highspeed internet have to do with it.
And it is your opinion but this is exactly what I am doing advocating for the rest of this community's schools and children.Like it or not.
You know a good school which is located in the center of town might have beenMarktwain,Hall,then there is Skaith,Parkway,Hyde,Hosea,Heck any of the other schools.
November 23, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
mm1967, your posts are the most divisive on these articles on average. You genuinely appear to have a serious problem with the NE side of the city. I don't want to label it with some term like hate or jealousy because I'm not sure what is the problem. I have reached the conclusion that the only way you would be happy with a decision of anyone to do something would be if the NE side of town gets it last or not at all. Frankly I do not understand why. My child's school has things that perhaps others do not. Things bought with parental money sometimes via the PTA, sometimes not. My child is fortunate enough to get to travel to other places during the school year. Yes, a little school is missed, but other things are learned and experienced. This is not uncommon at our school. Should my child be prohibited from traveling with me during the school year just because a child in another area of the city is unable to do so? Should I have to pay a fee to the school to fund trips for other children? You had a choice when you bought your house to live where you do, as did heritage, as did sense, etc. Such a choice comes with consequences, benefits and detriments. I have an old house, as does heritage I believe. We live with the choice to have an old house (out of date wiring, I would kill for a dishwasher). You, as I recall, have lived in St. Joseph your entire life. You developed this complex over many years. Had you really believed your children would be shortchanged by not living in the northeast, why would you make that decision? It's illogical and stupid. Don't say ypu can't afford a house in the Northeast. There are nice houses of many price ranges available. I looked at a new (old) house last week. Nice house, well maintained (needs updating) but my child would have to change grade schools and I don't want that. So I will continue to live in my smaller house with no dishwasher (I would really like one but can't due to cabinet issues!) I live with my choice (and dishpan hands). At some point you need to grow up, realize that you must live with the decisions you have made and get on with live. The young person who posted here that attended Skaith has no problems. I wonder why you do. In the meantime, take your kids to as many different things as you can. Broaden their horizons so they realize there is a big world out there for them to experience. Do some research on the web to learn about other curricula than what the SJSD uses and see what holes you think need to be filled. Check out books at the library to fill those holes. Get in the car and go somewhere to learn. Eagle days is coming up at Squaw Creek ... take the kids. Take them to the Robidoux Resident Theater production of "The Lion in Winter" next month. Tickets start at $9.00. (I have absolutely no relationship to RRT.)
Now you will get b*****y that I am lecturing you, but you earned it. Focus on your kids and not this bickering with Sense/Apple.
November 23, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
The wireless is either WIFI or WIMAX. The article does not state which. I doubt they are WIMAX, so you would need high speed access.
http://www.intel.com/consumer/learn/n...
November 23, 2009 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Drbjr,
My points are I not that I have a issue with the NE but the district has made this issue themselfs and I just happen to speak up about it.It should not matter where we live or what school our children or any of the community's children attend school.All schools should have equal opportunity's and equal education plain and simple.I just happen to believe this is not the way it is in the district.
I am not this great big evil person. I was raised to stand up for what you believe in and if you feel you are right do not back down and I will not on this issue.I was also raise to give a person the shirt off of my back if they actually needed it more then I did.
Bring on the long range planning for our schools.
November 23, 2009 at 7:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
mm - serious - you really don't believe you have a problem with the NE, really, because everyone who reads your posts believes you do.
You are not speaking up for anybody but your self centered way. You make this big statement, all schools should have equal opportunity and equal education - what does the exactly mean? If some teachers are better than are our schools unequal? What does this have to do with a pilot program for 25 kids who represent .00001 percent of the school district?
You hijacked a great positive story to spew your hatred of the district and the NE, at least everyone now sees what you Ive known for a very long time. To bad with all that great upbringing you claim to have you never learned to admit when your wrong and you never understood when to stop.
November 23, 2009 at 8:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
mm1967-"These notebook could be wireless could they not?I am almost betting they are.So what does highspeed internet have to do with it."
Just something else for you to complain about. Before you bring up another point you know nothing about let me explain. You need an internet connection to make WiFi work.
November 23, 2009 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
recordsetter816 says...
They better grab all of the education they can or else they will all grow up only to work in a st. joe factory which will close down and leave them broke.
November 23, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
not only do you need an internet connection, you would need a wireless router to connect to with a high speed rate to transfer the wirless conneciton. Just another example of nothing but garbage coming out from his mouth.
November 23, 2009 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple/sence
You have nothing good to say or constructive.And some of the garbage that has came out your mouth seems to have gotten you removed from these post once did it not?
I guess you do not understand what the words mean equal education and equal opportunity.Maybe you should look the meaning of these words up since you have that new computer.I was not brought up to be self centered like some apple which you fit into very well.But I am glad I keep your blood pressure up apple.
November 23, 2009 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
stop posting meaningless garbage,
you never answer a direct questiion - so I will keep asking you and I will never ever stop unitl you answer, every post you ever make I will continue to ask it
Have you ever been in Coleman school - yes or no
No I have no idea what you mean by equal education and equal opportunity - explain it to me - explain how the applies to this story -
the only way you get equal is not to accept this pilot program because it does not effect every sjsd child, is that what you want?
you keep saying your not brought up to be self centered and hate but then thats all you posts, to bad your upbringing to take -
November 23, 2009 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Lets just put it this way like Mr Kevin Kirby said in his presentation on STJOEKIDS.COM he is fighting for the most important thing to him and that was his children and that is exactly what I am doing fighting for what is the most important thing to me my children and their education.So apple if you like it or not they are what is important to me not you or some ofg the others that post here my children and the community's children not you.Mr Kirby did have one thing right in his address for the community's schools and children get it in your head.I do not answer to you apple I answer to my family and my maker not people like yourself.
November 23, 2009 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
you don't have to answer to me, just answer a question, I answered yours, never mind I know the answer and its no - so my point is how can you shout equal education when you have no idea about all the schools. You just type the same garbage over and over again.
So the kids in the NE have have to walk much further to their schools is that unequal, Spring Garden has a better basketball court is that unequal, some kids get their meals paid for is the unequal,
Everything you posted has nothing to do with this story, lets put an end to this, just admit that you are wrong to attack such a positive story.
I liked the earlier posts, you would turn down a million if that ment someone else would get two.
Really you remind me of a child who never played with a toy but when a freind comes over and picks it up you start screaming MINE MINE MINE - thats you mm - thats you
November 23, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Not gonna happen apple/sence or I meant not gonna happen.
November 23, 2009 at 10:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fantome says...
mm1967-"I guess you do not understand what the words mean equal education and equal opportunity."
Didn't we discuss this earlier? Do you still subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the SJSD only sends the best and brightest teachers to Coleman and Field? Equal education and equal opportunity just another phrase to you isn't it. I can assure you the words "Pilot Program" do not mean that the kids are learning how to fly.
November 23, 2009 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
well mm - I will ask you that question never to end everytime you posts. I have however come to the simply conclusion that you thankfully are only one person and the minority, oh Im sure we have some people still upset with the district but no one can be so blinded by hatred as you. What disturbs me the most is that you claim to be speaking up for the kids like your some kind of hero. I almost beleive you really belive this.
You have lost any crediablilty with on any subject of the a school issue. No one will ever take you serious again and if they do I will kindly direct them to these posts.
Never ever have you ever admited that you are wrong and you are wrong so many times.
November 23, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
As to the story, great job school district and congratulations to Coleman and the staff at Coleman. A great choice for this program and I know you guys will do the district proud. This is just another example of our tax dollars in great hands with a district which wins these programs which only a few in the country receives. Your vision and leadership can lead past these posts and the few who would rather stand in the rain and complain then go inside and get dried. Great story about a great school district. Congratulations
November 23, 2009 at 10:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncourter says...
Sense, I stand by everything I have to say, there are validations to support my rationale of thinking, and if you disagree with it, so be it but "Stomp my feet like a child" being directed at me is an uncalled for comment. I have no agenda. I have a valid rationale on this and I know perfectly well this is a pilot program. That is also a concern, this program has a shelf life. I had nothing what so ever negative to say against the program so I do not know where that is coming from. I stated very clearly this was an excellent opportunity that should be expanded upon and I made the suggestion the Long Range Planning Committee should focus efforts on assisting to expand this program and finding solutions to make into a permenant solution instead of worrying about hiring a consulting firm. I think that is very relevant. Programs like this should be merging into all schools and the social concerns need to be treated as a separate issue. I have no agenda. I voice my opinions and concerns like many others and have every right to do so. I believe the school issues are the most important element facing this community and it needs to get resolved. I stand by everything I have had to say on all issues. I believe many directions are going down paths that may prove to be detrimental, the recent levy passage is one of them. To make it clear, I think it was a bad move, and I will not sugar coat it. That decision holds this community back in progressive growth for funding opportunities and in my view supported the original Axiom platform back in Apr. The district did not have the confidence to spend extrat time to re-argue and gain the buy in to what is truly needed for the future. I think the
Long Range Planning Committee has taken a direction that is not conducive to future progression. On the other side of the fence, I believe this Intel program is a huge step forward in a positive direction, but this program moves forward, at some point in time programs like this will have to be funded by the district. Private business is not going to fund this permenantly if it proves to be success, unless there is something I am missing. I think it is a great program with excellent involvement, but there needs to be a permenant committment to it somewhere down the line or it will become like many pilot programs, when time comes to evaluate, it will either end or the opportunity to continue it will come into play and that means some tax dollar funding support. That is where the Longe Range Committee should come into play. And to close, MAP brought in the SIP element into this forum and opened the door for further debate and discussion. I think that should go much further.
November 23, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
For Gods sake, it was a program that only a few districts across the country received, how in the world can anyone question it, have concerns over it and bitch about it,
John I know you don't like the direction so be it, do you support mm posts on these matters? I really hope not -
November 23, 2009 at 11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
You know what apple I am a hero in my childrens eyes and that is all that matters to me.More parents need to stand up for their children and their beliefs instead of getting pushed and shoved and walked on by the district.
Now I never ask Mr Courter to support my post so why drag him into it.
I happen to agree with Mr Courter I just happen to come off and say thing point blank if you or anybody else like it I say it as I see it.If you think the community's children are getting equal education so be it I do not beleive they are.If you believe they are getting equal opportunity's so be it but I do not.
If you want answers on ow things are different go out and see for yourself.Because I am not going to answer any of your questions.I will say one thing remember I have seen some of this first hand I grew up in the southend of town and remember.I no longer live there but things are not all sugar coated as you would like to believe in our schools and the education is not the same from school to school and the opportunity's are not as well for the children in all schools.
November 24, 2009 at 6:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
dagnabbit, you guys had the very person who IS responsible for this program here Telling you that this story is INCOMPLETE and still the griping and fighting for the sake of fighting.
this is SO much bigger than one class getting a study. st joseph stands in line to get a massive injection of jobs and investment in downtown with the local interest. this has the potential to bring as many quality jobs as BI, and we are focusing on a single story which completely missed the boat in its information. the articles i posted links to tell some of the story. i knew this and that was why i asked the first question..... to prod the reporter to dig deeper into the" FILET "which is being put in front of us, instead of just talking about "hamburger".
thank you WSB for coming into the insanity and trying to explain what the NP left out. i am certain that we will be hearing the rest of the story in weeks to come. you are doing great things for st joseph .
November 24, 2009 at 7:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
Well H I have to give you credit when its due - the following form a September 1st artical in the NP
Mr. Bennett and his partners say the specifics of their business plan are subject to change. However, it is notable that the partners already have secured a pilot program with Intel in which select local schools will use small laptop / computer tablets in the classrooms. Jumbofox will provide software that will enable the use of digitized textbooks, tests and more - for the pilot and beyond, if this bet pays off.
So clearly this came from this new company coming from thier new downtown location. What I ask you then is if you wanted this information to come out, why did you ask why Coleman was selected instead of a more direct and obvious question like, is this connected to the new company coming downtown called Jumbofox? You certainly did this company any favors by getting the school issues part of the story.
MM - your posts have about as much meaning as a beauty queen constistant telling everyone she wants world peace.
November 24, 2009 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhoisJohnGalt says...
When it's raining soup, some people stand outside with a fork in their hand. It's human nature I suppose.
November 24, 2009 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple /sence you know where you can take yourself i will not continue down this path with you.It is a great opportunity if it pays off but the other issue no matter what you think still exist but you have blinders to the fact because you do not live in the rest of theof the community and see things but that's ok stay in your box.
November 24, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
i did not feel it was my place to make comments beyond the information in the previous articles. i don't know mr. bennett and had no idea if this information was left out because he preferred it not to be revealed at this time. as the article stated, the situation is flexible.
i go to enough meetings and track downtown activity pretty closely, but it was for sure not my place to "out" jumbofox.
now, can we all just chill and wait for more complete information?
November 24, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
WSB,
Thanks for the info and I hope it is a sucess and it will help ALL St Joseph schools.But 1 comment I like to make our SJSD administration and sucess I am sorry I see them as complete failures.Not knowing how to communicate with the general public.Doing things and then not answering for them.Creating positions for your family members and spending money for things like furniture when not needed.And by the way I have heard teachers in the system comment on this position I speak of above about being created for a family member when there were more qualified people.
This is just a viscous cycle with these people they continue to be their own worst enemies and are blind to the fact that there are areas of town that do not support them.It is simple complete transparentcy anything less is unacceptable.They smilded the night the levy passed and now think everything is hunky dory but it is not look at the election results and see what area supported them and the areas that did not.This going to carry over to any longer term planning for the schools just watch and see it play out in the coming months.
November 24, 2009 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
heritage_sarahhochschwender says...
mm, come on, man. let it go and don't be a negative nellie when faced with good news. honestly.
November 24, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I would like to wish all a Happy Thanksgiving with their family's even you apple.
This where I will leave it one the issues.I have spoken and I will maintain my beleifs till I am shown otherwise.
November 24, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
wow - what can I say - as I said, mm is a complete lost cause when it comes to schools, I thought perhaps he really wanted to communicate and look for answers, I challenge John and Sarah and disagree, but I do beleive they at least look at all sides of an issue. MM can't and simply won't which is to bad because there is no way a person with his attidude could ever be part of any discussion concerning the schools at all. How can a person tell me "where I can take myself" and then wish me a happy thanksgiving?
You really need to talk someone about this, it consumes you and you are so filled with hate, I don't know what the schools did to you but your messed up. It can't be good for your kids either this has to work itself to them it just has to. For the sake of your family you really need some theropy, I know losing a job is tuff and you are probably going through a tuff time. Get away from the comuputer and really, get some help.
I won't argue with you anymore because you are dealing with issues beyond the schools.
November 24, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple leave it alone I was trying to be somewhat nice to you but I guess you cannot even accept that.Again Happy Thanksgiving Apple.
November 24, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sense says...
ok - hope you get some help
November 24, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I do not need none apple but thanks for your concern.
November 24, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thewatcher24 says...
ahh yes the st. joe uneducated speak, did you all ever stop to think that the teacher applied for the grant which is required then intel selected them??? sounds like a real tough process but with grants you have stipulations that must be met (i.e. sending them wherever you want to in the district there is data that must be recorded etc.. think a little bit joe town don't sound off on here like you have no good sense.
November 24, 2009 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ufc08 says...
mm ignore sense she just wants to argue.
November 24, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
ufc08,
Yea I have know this back to the apple days.
November 24, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noneya says...
Someone had mentioned that there are things that do happen in the school that are positive that we dont hear about..I can assure you that this is true...I can tell you that I personally wrote a grant and won over $500.00 in books to give to my school to the children..Now thats not alot of money, but any amount of free books I will humbly accept and any books I can put in the hands of children is my goal..I am not a bragger, I am not in the field to boast my ego and this was never put in any paper etc...I also know one of the reason my grant won was that my school is one of the lower income schools, with many single parent homes, and the grant committee recognized this...this was an advantage for us, as stats show these families have lower reading scores etc this is not an insult but a national and local fact my friends and something I am hoping to help with every single day..i am sure no one would of complained about me winning on this criteria...so lets just please celebrate our accomplishments and have a blessed remainder of the year..
November 28, 2009 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )