biggieroth says...

Glock 22's are not .22 caliber. They are .40 caliber.

November 29, 2009 at 5:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_O says...

I thought that was not right, but I am not up on Glocks, I carry Rugers, a matched pair of KP345's, I am wondering if Glock even makes a 22 cal. firearm in a Hand Gun.

November 29, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

In hard times you make due with what you have not go on a spending spree.I am sure that the weapons they have are in very good shape and are addiquate for our community since we do not have the crime levels that major metro areas have.Remember the county said it was seeing a cut in the revenue and was going to have to spend wisely.But this is like spending all of the money for the Darangos when a normal police car would have done the job and the dept under Mickey Gill did just fine with police cars as well as the State Troopers do just fine with the police cars.Wastefull spending.

November 29, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

You know - it wasn't long ago that every agency admired the Glock for it's faultless performance and department-wide interchangeable magazines.

If you guys are going to tell me you need .223cal rifles in your car for, "when the crap hits the fan" then you need to keep your Glocks for the same reason.

What the hell are you thinking anyway? You're going to get what - maybe $200 credit per Glock traded for a $450 pistol?

Keep your damn Glocks idiots and put the checkbook away - we're done with it for a while.

It's the continuation of crap like this that is the reason I say people are going to revolt in this country. It's going to start somewhere and this is just another perfect example of wasted money.

I'm a Beretta man myself. Then again we're talking about my money, too.

Deal with what you've got.

November 29, 2009 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

zeke says...

I totally agree with mm1967's comments.
The Glock has a 15 shot clip. It is a 40 cal. pistol that has plenty of stopping power. It is used by most law enforcements in the USA today.
Then, what about all the 40 cal. ammo they now have? They will need all new 45 cal. ammo, more expense. This does not sound like spending money wisely to me.

November 29, 2009 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

StJoeMoe says...

Looks like these handguns retail for anywhere from $500.00-600.00 depending on model/options -

http://www.xdpistols.com/category/11-...

Let's go with a retail price of $550.00 each, average, time 52 equals $28,600.00.

Used Glock 22's, anywhere from $350.00-$450.00 retail, let's give a "fair" wholesale price to them of $275.00 each, times 42 equals $11.550.00 so a realistic bid should of been "around" $17,050.00.

Or at least that is what I came up with in these few moments.

November 29, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

StJoeMoe says...

Ah, 46 Glocks to be traded in, no matter, I was guestimating - but you can see who was truly in the ball park and who was out to make some real money off of us.

Anyway, while I prefer a .45 and actually think the Ruger P90 should be in consideration, the .45 is one of the rounds that bulletproof vests are most effective on -

Pro's and con's to every gun, all I want is for our police force to have the tools they need to get the job done.

And how and why one gun was selected over others is of interest to me, maybe others.

November 29, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

I would be interested to know how many times the current weapons have been fired at a perp in the past decade and what the results of the action were? Did the bullets bounce off like shooting at Superman or did they blow a hole through the perp like Fearless Fosdick? Off the top of my head, I cannot remember the Sheriff's department actually shooting at anyone in the past ten years. I'm sure it has happened, I just don't remember any details. Anyone in the department care to chime in with details and results?

BTW, the Fearless Fosdick reference really kind of ages me, doesn't it? ;)

November 29, 2009 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

heckler91 says...

Why are none of the bids local? They say they are always trying to keep jobs here and support the buisnesses in this community, what happened?

November 29, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ApparentlySo says...

I take note of where the city has gone out of its way to help the county as far as getting the new chiller. Wonder when the county is going to actually concede that the city works very hard to support the county.

November 29, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

zeke says...

Ahh, I rem Fearless Fosdick but would someone tell me what a chiller is please. I've heard of "cooler"
Must be new terminology for something inside a jail.

November 29, 2009 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

longarm45 says...

a "chiller" produces very cold water, which may be used for air conditioning, water coolers, etc.
why not .41 magnums if you want real firepower & penetration! VERY FEW people can get a quick 2nd shot off with a .45. Also since the deputies "carry" more than they "shoot" emphasis should be on small size, light weight, etc. with a shotgun for backup, and a rifle in the trunk.
phil Prawl
a gun nut

November 29, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

What wrong with what they got.And not to mention they are paid for and used very little.Save the money and use it for something else that really is needed plain and simple.More waste I wish I could just waste money like it is water running out of a faucett.

November 29, 2009 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

The glocks are 13 years old and have had at the least 1500 rounds a year through them with training an weapon qualification are they worn out? maybe , maybe not but they are old and would be a shame if an officer lost his life because of some penny pinching. As far as the SUV you ever try and take a crown vic through heavy snow or mud to get to an emergency call the county roads are not paved friends.

November 30, 2009 at 12:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

I would say tho if they are going to replace the guns they should stay with the glock 22 then there would be no need to replace holsters and magazine pouches

November 30, 2009 at 3:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

Realityck,
Crown Vics had no issues for years and years and the majority of people are not going to have a car or truck that is going to go threw the snow either.Please tell me how these cars and how the state highway patrol use these vehicles with no issues as well as the sherriff dept had for years and years?Durangos were a hugh waste of money plain and simple.Politicians should be thinking about the current state of the economy before they decide to spend money like this.Remember people will not forget and do vote.Also remember the county painted this picture of not having enough revenue.Maybe fix some of the county roads with this money for the crown vics will not get stuck.

November 30, 2009 at 4:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

Highway patrol use thier crown vics on primarily "highways".When the weather was bad do you know for years an years where the counties crown vics were ? parked at the station an would only respond to felonies in progress. I take it you don't live in the county where 70% live on gravel roads. I have been on calls where the deputies had to use their own 4 wheel drives to get to it.

November 30, 2009 at 5:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

I grew up in the county off of gravel road.Now what I also seen the sherriff several times in the winter just as much in as in the summer.

November 30, 2009 at 7:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

And if you needed an officer would you not want them to be able to respond in almost any weather condition?People want tohave effective and efficient responses to calls they just dont want to pay for it. whats next "oh they dont need new kevlar vests let them make due with the old outdated one ,I mean how often do they get shot?"

November 30, 2009 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

I am for what you all need to do your job.But not wasting money and in these time and the county saying they have less revenue they need to wait till better times to buy things that can wait.I personally knew Mr Gill and his family and he ran a good dept and I find it very hard to believe he would not respond to a call on anything.And I am sure you are not one of the officers who worked for him because the deputys that worked for him respected him.

November 30, 2009 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

I don't believe anything I said was disrespectful and I worked for Mickey for 15 years,and the sheriff would not risk injury to his officers or damage to a vehicle by responding to a non emergency call in severe weather think what you like the only reason the officers didnt have SUV's available to them at that time is that there were no police packages available.

November 30, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

Tell you what there MM next time we have a 2in. rain or 8in of snow you go find yourself a full size rear wheel drive car with "all weather" tires on it an cruise around the gravels round the bluffs or out round Easton an hope there a deputy with an SUV that can get to you where your stuck

November 30, 2009 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

I am smart enough to know what chains are and how to get around in the snow and mud.You do bring up a good point front wheel drive vehicles would have worked great for the dept instead of the durangos.Also if I get stuck it is my responsibility to get a tow truck to get me out not rely on the sherriffs dept.Look like I said I am all for what you need to do your job I am however against wasting money and in this state of the economy and the county saying they have less revenue somethings can wait.

November 30, 2009 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Realityck, you do your cause no good by emphasizing the fact that law enforcement feels as if they know things the people cannot comprehend. The public is sick and tired of hearing, "you just don't understand." No, YOU don't understand. You work for US, NOT the other way around. I think we know good damn well what it takes to do the job, we fund it year in and year out and we're sick of seeing hard-earned dollars flushed down the crapper just because someone gets a wild hair.

If you're telling me you can't do without I can find a hundred more that are more than willing to do with what they already have.

In any case it's ignorant to have every agency within 100 miles equipped with the Glock 22 for it's interchangeability and then go and buy something altogether different.

This isn't about Durango's or FWD v. RWD. This is about sidearms that are more than capable of performing their job function. If you want to talk about new Glocks, then fine, let's talk about it.

Keep in mind, standards are typically set by the bigger departments. With Buchanan County being a class A county, it seems logical that should they go to the XD's that eventually the PD and/or MSHP would eventually follow suit... MEANING MORE FREAKIN' MONEY TO REPLACE THEM. Not to mention the county JUST replaced duty gear a few years ago. That's going to mean new holsters and magazine pouches as well as an updated nomenclature course since it would be a brand new weapon to the officer... more freakin' $$$. ENOUGH!

No. You don't need new Springfields.

November 30, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

i think if you look at my post you'll see I didnt think EP's were the right choice and I;ll stop telling it "how it is" when ppl like you stop whining about things that are needed not frivalities and I dont think replaceing 13 yr old guns is a wild hair. Like I said in my second post IF YOU ACTUALLY WOULD READ I think they should get glocks so no new holsters an ect. are needed so why dont you mr. taxpayer have a big glass of "shut up juice and go back to your pizza rolls

November 30, 2009 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

heritage_sarahhochschwender says...

wow, if you, reality check, are actually a law enforcement officer, i sure as heck would not want to run across you on a bad night. rude, disrespectful and snotty...... way to go for representing your profession.

November 30, 2009 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

Heritage some of our officers are just getting rude now days.Telling the tax payer that they work for to have a glass of shut up juice and go back to our pizza rolls is just uncalled for.
How about the officers are given a equipment allowance every few years and they buy their own equiptment to do their job I bet then they would see where the tax payer is coming from.I not saying vehicles and such but their own weapons and such.I bet they change their tune then.
I think they need to make due with what they have till thecounty is recieving more revenue and the economy turns around.There is plenty of other things that need addressed in the county and realityck made that come to light and that is the roads fix themn oil and chat them for the issue he is talking about does not hamper the residents or the sherriffs dept wit hall of this money.Clean Lake Contrary back up and make it nice like it was 50 years ago and make a place for family's to go.plenty of other issues to address.

November 30, 2009 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Thank you local law enforcement officer.

This is exactly the type of cop/public SERVANT that fuels my fire. You think you can talk to people however you wish - and it's obvious this type of attitude of yours is no doubt on display while performing in an official capacity. Should I remind you that your FIRST job is to mitigate any volatile circumstance? So what - you can't come in here and yell at us with your flashlight in our face so you want to be condescending? If you can't deal with words here why in the hell would I believe you are capable of handling yourself professionally while in contact with the public?

Seeing as how you think you know who I am why don't you come find me? Shouldn't be hard for an arrogant cop like yourself to get my vehicle and home address information. Use it punk.

Otherwise, why don't you do yourself and your department a favor and shut the hell up? They don't need your kind of publicity, look at where this article got them.

November 30, 2009 at 6:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

Wow funny how things get so heated and out of control over a single news article.
Has anyone ever thought that just maybe some of the officers are buying their own weapons from the dept. or maybe buying the old duty glocks from the dept????
and by the way I can name over a dozen depts within a 100 mile radius that do not carry glocks. Some officers may carry them, but not all

If you think about it, parts can only be replaced so many times before its more cost effective to just purchase new weapons.

I would bet money that with 13 year old weapons, The Sheriff's Dept. has gotten their moneys worth out of the guns.

AND I LOVE THIS PART........"The Sheriff's Department essentially solicited bids as a research program and will discuss whether there is enough money in the budget to even accept any of the bids."

So why is everyone getting all worked up over this..... they are just price shopping and dont know if they can even afford to buy new guns or not

And didnt the city just spend about 80,000 for new guns a couple years ago........ I like 18,000 for guns alot better than 80,000

November 30, 2009 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

stjgood says...

I say before they get new guns I say they start doing a better job, good ol st joe lets spend money on that

November 30, 2009 at 10:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

There's a difference between public servant and public slave pal. I get so tired of the "you work for me I'm a taxpayer jive. Bottom line here is they are not asking for some wild ass thing like night vision goggles for every deputy.And it infuriates me when ppl demean officers that put their lives on the line an then put a price tag on thier lives

December 1, 2009 at 12:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

and when I started on the dept the only thing the taxpayer furished deputies with was a car and a piece of paper that said you were a deputy. guess who bought the rest of the equipment. all LoD duz on this site is use it to spread his hatred of police. But like I said we are suppose to be mindless robots without emotion. I've tried to explain to you folks why things are needed an how they are used but its useless

December 1, 2009 at 12:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

Realityck,
I have respect for the job you do everyday.I just simple am pointing out that the county has said they are going to have to make cuts because of the revenue being down.This is caused by the economy around us.I was also making a point that I personally believe Mr Strong has wasted money in the dept and Mr Gill did not.I think we could have done without the fancy durangos even though your argument for them and really what was the need to go to all of the expense to change uniforms?But I did take offence to your comment telling us tax payers to go sit down and have a glass of shut juice and go back to our pizza rolls that sir is unacceptable.When you made comments like that sir then this is what brought people out saying you work for us the tax payer and on and on.I can only hope you are not any of the deputys I know.So again sir I never said I did not respect your job and the fact you put your life on the line everyday I simple have stated the county needs to wait till better times and when they have more revenue coming to go on a spending spree.

December 1, 2009 at 4:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

MM I respect your opinion and I have never understood some of the moves by the current sheriff I was for a mixed fleet with only one or two SUVs and the rest crown vics and If you read LoD was the first to be demeaning I have givin over half me life in service to this community an to hear ppl basically put a price tag on a officers safety just makes me boil. I have seen the sheriff dept go from one era to another some prrogress i think has been good other changes not so good

December 1, 2009 at 4:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

If you have heard that Ima taxpayer jazz as much as i have in 15 years you would get a little cranked off to. There are monthly community meetings to discuss such things maybe some of you should go an voice your concerns.I have only wanted to let ppl who are uniformed to look past the $$ signs. And to try and explain why police officers handle things the way they do. But some here just want to bash our profession. I'll leave the blogging to the bloggers It was a waste of my time to try an offer any insight it appears

December 1, 2009 at 4:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

It probably makes more sense for the department to drive Durango's than for Suzy Soccermom to own one. That said, in tough economic times it makes sense to pinch pennies where you can. In this particular time, even the appearance of fiscal impropriety will bite an organization. Just ask the School District about that one. If those pistols are shot out, let's hear the case for it. No one wants to have the Deputies carrying weapons that are worn out and prone to malfunction. That would be dangerous. On the other hand, if they are still serviceable, why waste money on new guns and gear just cause it's Christmas time?

Realityck, you have been with the department for over a decade now. Has anyone in the department used one of the Glocks on a perp and what were the result?

December 1, 2009 at 6:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

The only use of a Glock in this area was The exchange of gunfire between trooper Kimberling and a suspect in which trooper kimberling lost his life. In two other Sheriff dept gun exchanges one was with a shotgun the other was before we had the glocks and was with a S&W 9mm. both were at cars fleeing

December 1, 2009 at 6:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

The only use of a Glock in this area was The exchange of gunfire between trooper Kimberling and a suspect in which trooper kimberling lost his life. In two other Sheriff dept gun exchanges one was with a shotgun the other was before we had the glocks and was with a S&W 9mm. both were at cars fleeing from a felony crime and were fired to disable the vehicles

December 1, 2009 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

oops hit it twice but i hope that answers your ?

December 1, 2009 at 6:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Makes your blood boil?

Are you serious? Maybe it's time to get out of the business when something you hear quite possibly every day makes your blood boil.

You got into this line of work knowing damn well what came with it. I don't want to hear a whining session - deal with it. You are enforcing laws of corrupt men and on top of that you are displaying quite perfectly the, "us v. them" mentality shared by most law enforcement.

This is why officers drive drunk and bar hop in groups while off duty and each officer has their own personal justifications for doing it. Obviously not all officers do this but a real good percentage do and even some of the "good cops" have done it. I've seen it firsthand.

On top of your lack of professionalism you're just horrible at writing, and considering writing is a large part of your job my sympathies lie with the prosecutor and your supervisor.

All of these facts point to your lack of education or concern (unsure which is worse) which lend nicely to the old, "dumb cop" notion.

And finally - I am a taxpayer. I have the RIGHT to make as many complaints as often as I wish. You, as an officer, have no expectation that I will not make comments you agree with and certainly don't speak for your department (if you disagree then display your name, we'll find out pretty quick). When I was being, "demeaning" I was speaking on behalf of the entire departments spending habits. If you took that personally, then again, I would suggest you finding another line of work.

Do you realize your name, department and salary are listed in state budget books that can be found at the college? You know why your name and salary is in that publicly available book? BECAUSE WE PAY YOUR SALARY.

Citizens do more than furnish cars and handguns, buddy. Where do you think your salary comes from? Don't give me that, "revenue generation" crap either - that is a farce and you know it. The department is taxpayer funded. Period. Got a problem with it?

Go seek work in the private sector.

P.S. I only made the agency reference because that was a HUGE selling point for the SD getting Glocks in the first place.

P.P.S. U have read all of your comments - whether or not I can decipher your obviously coded messages is another topic entirely.

December 1, 2009 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

Your the only one drawing a line here I'm sorry I entered your little domain. Must be wonderful to type for the sake of seeing your words. And I'am sorry that officers give their lives for scum like you. Seems quite a loss really the one thing that has never made sense to me in this job.You seem to watch cops alot must be a fantasy thing, as I said why don't come to our corrupt community meetings. But then you would have to face real ppl and not a blog

December 1, 2009 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

Because you pay your taxes bub doesn't mean I have to take your mouth I pay taxes too hmm guess that makes me my own boss in your line on infinite wisdom? Enforcing the laws of corrupt men? Bro you really should get back on your meds here I happen to have another big glass of shut up juice for you to takem with.

December 1, 2009 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

realityck
seriously you are not helping you are suppose to be a professional.

December 1, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

hey Bryan why don't you take your bottom lip pull it over your head an swallow hard

December 1, 2009 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

Realityck, the reason for my question concerns the change of caliber and weapon platform. If there was a performance problem with the .40 that had showed up in actual use within the department, upgrading might make sense. On the other hand, just changing to be changing appears to be chasing trends by the department. It's kinda like abandoning the .38/.357 revolvers for the wondernines a few decades ago. I wonder how much difference it really made to officer safety. Going for the latest "fad" in officer weaponry makes me distinctly uneasy. Kinda like the latest "We have to arm the police with AR-15's to make their lives complete" fad that is going on. The paramilitarization of police across the nation is a trend that concerns me and should concern everyone.

December 1, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

I don't think we should change John the 40 is a fine capable weapon and why buy all new leather

December 1, 2009 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

ya thats me power hungry because I won't bow down to your or LoD threats Ima public servant not subservrient at least LoD can come with somethin better than the Barney joke whats next a Duncan Dounut slur OMG no no When I comment here its on my own time on my own computer so I'll say what I want when I want.

December 1, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

^^^This is the professionalism the SJPD and BCSD aspire to.

Enjoy your local law enforcement.

December 1, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

realityck
I am not saying you are not on your own time and your own computer but the fact remains you said you work for the dept and have for several years your really should not be talking to people the way you are you are suppose to be a professional police officer or deputy.Really how much of your anger spills over while you are on duty? I hope none and you act professional while on duty.

December 1, 2009 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

heritage_sarahhochschwender says...

nov 16 initial comment by reality check was..... i am a RETIRED l.e.o. ..... which is it?

December 1, 2009 at 7:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JAFO says...

let me say i am not against officers having the tools to protect themselves and the public. second, there needs to be an issue brought to light that was not mentioned in previous postings concerning the glock. most officers and departments do not like the glocks for a couple of reasons. first, they are "polymer framed" or plastic. not too many officers feel comfortable placing their lives entrusted to plastic parts. second, the feed ramp into the firing chamber has a design flaw that causes feeding problems and causes the pistol to jam. having a firearm that is prone to jamming is not what i would call a confidence builder. third the ballistics of the .45 acp are comperable to that of the .40, but offer more knock-down power and are cheaper to shoot. and finally, the springfield's bids also offer a "group discount" to law enforcment. meaning that they get a speicial rate of purchase. the XD is a superior firearm in almost every respect. the drug strike force has been using them for about 2 years, and love them. the 5" tactical model offers some of the best accuracy of any handgun made, and in a crucial situation, law enforcment needs the tools to do the job.

December 1, 2009 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

So I just have to ask, "Liberty or Death" are you willing to post your name on here???

Im quite ashamed at the direction these comments have gone.

As a Law Enforcement Officer, in reality Im not on duty 24/7 or else I would be making a killing in money. However any respectable officer or deputy that has any type respect for his fellow law enforcement officers will carry themselves in a professional manner BOTH ON DUTY And OFF DUTY.
This means that we are held to a higher standard than the general public, because we serve the public

Bottom line is treat others as you want to be treated. Police Officers and Deputies take an oath to SERVE AND PROTECT the public. You will never hear me or any of the officers and deputies that I call my friends tell anyone to "Shut the Hell Up and eat pizza Rolls" that is very unprofessional and give all of us a black eye. We fight battles daily and letting your mouth overload your actions does no good.

I will be the 1st to admit there are bad officers in every dept. but there are also a bigger number of hard working dedicated officers that are not ego driven and get a big head beacuse they wear a badge and carry a gun.

Hope that everyone has a good night

December 1, 2009 at 9:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

safd,
I appreciate the fact you posted your comments on here about telling people to shut the heck up and go back to eatting your pizza rolls.Now if realityck would read your post and see what you had to say.You are right the bad ones givve the deputy's and police officers a bad rep.

December 1, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

San Antonio, there are very few on here who don't know who I am or my real name. My last user name was... my name! Go figure, huh?

Plus I wouldn't want to shorten Realityck's background work he's been doing. He seems to know who I am and so I offer him the invitation to prove it and have his ego-driven ass handed to him.

On a lighter note, your comment elicits the respect for officers that most of us either have or would like to have. I don't hate cops, but I will be the first to call out BS when I see it. As ex-law enforcement I have many stories that I draw from when commenting on here. Because of my firsthand experience I offer a different perspective than your typical, "you don't know what they go through, you should walk a mile in their shoes" crowd.

I have - the only real difference is when you've got a badge in your wallet it gives people this, "I can say/do anything" and yes, I've seen it done by far too many "good" officers to think it's a one-off. It certainly isn't.

Just like the FBI profiles citizens, so too can law enforcement professionals be profiled. It's generally an ego-driven, fitness minded, bad to okay credit, debt-burdened, late-blooming individual who at the end of the day is human and knows right from wrong therefore there is no excuse for this behavior.

I know VERY few officers who were Mr. or Ms. Popular in high school. You think there is something to that? I do. Again, if the FBI uses profiling because it's accurate.

You should read some of their profiles of good cops gone bad - they read like Realityck's statements above.

December 2, 2009 at 6:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Realityck, you weren't at Hammerjacks the other night, were you?

Maybe you were the one that got into a fight with another cop and you guys had to be pulled apart?

Was that you, or another emotionally-charged ego-driven super-cop handing out shut up juice (or getting it handed to you)? Of course neither cop was issued citations - nope. But if that had beem Joe Taxpayer you'd be sitting in the clinker right now.

That sit well with the rest of the public? This is bull-you-know-what.

Further proof the law enforcement administration officials follow the same type of mindset that the beat cops do - they are above the law.

December 2, 2009 at 7:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

stjoelocalguy says...

LoD name is Hanshaw, a former BC deputy... Terminated, resigned... Call it what you want...

December 2, 2009 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Yep the name is Michael Hanshaw. A resignation is hardly termination but if you want to call it what you want.

So I ask - what does that have to do with anything?

Once again this is another perfect example of someone trying to attack anothers character when they can no longer have a constructive conversation.

What my name has to do with gun bids is beyond me but I'm happy to see my name lives on in legend.

Notice Stjoelocalguy loves him some annonymity. I could care less. I'd say anything I've ever said to anyone's face I've ever talked about.

Maybe that's what bothers you. Maybe I got some dirt on stjoelocal, eh? I'd hide my name too if I were you.

December 2, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

I would be interesteed in knowing if two officers were inolved in a fight (altercation)with each other why they were not charge as the general public would have been if indeed this did happen the other night at Hammerjacks.This would show show that some and I stress some officers believe they are above the law.

December 2, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

I found it interesting that I was able to have rational discourse with realityck in this thread and safd in a different thread as long as we stuck to the topic at hand and avoided ad hominem attacks. Fellas, it IS possible to disagree without attacking someone's character. Ya just gotta take a deep breath and think about what you are typing.

December 2, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ufc08 says...

LOD keep us informed if you start getting harassed because of local guys big mouth. I agree with alot of what you say at least you state your opinion and ask for anyone to prove you wrong. In alot of cases they can't so that is their problem.I also agree with mm in most cases.Both of you keep up the good work, let us know of any problems.

December 2, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

ufc08,
I do not expect any problems or harrashment from anybody. But if I have any from the law enforcment officer that has been telling us all to shut up or any other officer for that fact believe me I will speak my piece and the whole community will hear me, since I am a very law abiding citizen.Just was simply stating a opinion as well as other stated their opinions and he did not like it and lost his composure.Not to mention the newspress today came out and showed the sherriffs dept is going to have to take a 240,000 cut this coming year.
safd also said that this officer should not be telling the community to have a glass of shut up juice and go back to eating our pizza rolls.He also stated that these kind of reply's toward the public gave the rest of the officers a bad name.I have the utmost respect for what they do everyday and have a cople of friends who are officers here.But for this one officer or any to speak to the public per say in the manner realityck has is unacceptable behavior at anytime on his own time or on the clock he or she is suppose to be a professional not a thug.

December 2, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cartoonist says...

How does something go from inside-baseball chatter about the relative merits of service handguns to a pissing match about the character and quality of local law enforcement?

December 2, 2009 at 7:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

Cartoonist, this is the internet. It is to be expected. Honestly, this is relatively mild and well behaved for an internet discussion board. You don't have to go far to find much worse than this.

December 2, 2009 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

I think it's obvious Realityck has been silenced by his superiors. I can picture it now...

"Listen guys, I don't want to know who wrote it - but knock it off. Whoever it was we appreciate what you've said on our behalf, but we cannot let the public hear us saying these things about them. Again, I don't want to know who did it, just understand the department wishes for it to stop."

December 3, 2009 at 7:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

LOD,
I am sure they did not know which deputy it was but they were told in their briefings to knock it off and act professional.
But it does make one wonder how many officers either in the sherriffs office or on the city force actually do treat the citizens of our community as realityck did on here.

December 3, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Spend one evening at the booking desk and you'll find out. It's a running joke that the public at large just doesn't get what harsh realities the officers face on a daily basis.

Roll call, it's no different. The snide remarks that are condoned by supervisors are no different. I say they condone the remarks because they don't do anything to prevent them from being made and are generally followed by a chuckle by the supervisor.

Here's one for you to give an example of what they call the public at large...

B.E.M.'s = Bugger eating morons. I am not kidding. I learned of this expression, and many, many others, in the academy by an instructor.

This is why I get so heated when I see people blindly having officers' backs immediately without knowing anything else. People just have no idea that the very same officers they defend make a lifestyle of living beyond the law and have any number of elementary names they will call you if you are driving too slow, too fast, stopped too long at a light, not stopping long enough at a light.

It's ludicrous. I just ask people to treat officers the same way everyone else is treated. When a private citizen is involved in foul play it's RARE, if at all, they are given the benefit of the doubt. An officer on the other hand is always assumed innocent by the public if there is no video accompnaying the story. It is interesting though when the video does get released (when available) the public opinion changes so drastically.

Just like Bean and Fisher at the begining of the year. Everyone knew Ivan Ball and knew him to be a POS but then the video came out...

Gee, what were the results after that?

Get it through your heads people. While there are some good cops out there, there are far too many more that couldn't give 2 piles of you know what for you or anyone else as a human being. If they did, you wouldn't see them making comments like Realityck above, you wouldn't catch them at the booking desk trashing someone and their entire family, degrading everything about them. Yeah, real compassion - they're doing it for the good of the community, right?

More like creating a generation of cop-haters.

December 3, 2009 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Something else to consider...

The Glocks the sheriff's department has now have a very nicely-detailed gold-plated etching on the slide.

It is the old logo that the county had under Mickey Gill (maybe that's why they want new ones?) and it reads "Buchanan County" in a ribbon spread over a 6-point badge with a badge number, and then "Sheriff's Department" in a ribbon spread beneath it. Pretty freakin' fancy.

Now tell me, are we wanting to spend a little extra getting the new Glocks etched as well? I KNOW FOR A FACT that stuff is not cheap to have done, especially considering the fine detail. In all seriousness it does look good on the pistols but it begs the questions; is it necessary (no), and are they planning on doing it again?

I'm curious how much was spent on it back in the day. If I'm not mistaken Sgt. Brock had them done, I could be wrong. Hell, maybe Realityck could let us know?

December 3, 2009 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

LibertyOrDeath,

Since you are a former deputy of the sheriffs dept. Were you one of these people that were involved in the activities that you just wrote about??

I would ask who taught you these things in the academy but you seem to be all to happy to throw names out so Im not even going to go there.
As a cadet in the academy, I was never taught these things by any of my instructors during any part of my training.

And as far as the SO Glocks, how long ago were they engraved into the weapons? Is this a new thing or something that was done awhile ago?

Im aware that the MSHP had their glocks engraved and numbered, and when they were traded in they were put up for sale by a gun dealer in cole county to the public. I had the opportunity to see a couple of the glocks that were engraved.
This has been several yrs ago since Ive seen them though.

December 4, 2009 at 12:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JAFO says...

those engraved glocks came round about 10 years ago. it was a commemerative option. not all pistols came with this custom feature. most officers opt to purchase their old duty weapons becuase it is usually a very good deal on a weapon they know intimatley. the glocks are good weapons, but they are not without flaw. please see my previous posting. the Springfield XD is a far superior weapon. i know officers that have opted to quit carrying colts in favor of the XD. to me that speaks volumes for their performance. and for the money, that is a good buy.

December 4, 2009 at 1:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

With the Sheriffs dept in Buchanan County going to have to take a 240,000 cut this coming year which was in a article here the otherday I do not think they can afford to do much then perform their jobs and keep the dept running not out buying things till more revenue comes back into the county plain and simple.By the way no to upset anybody or deputy I was wondering why it took 4 or 5 deputy's at the entrance of the court house to run the metal detector and wand scanner?I was up at the court house to change some info on my voter registration and there was 4 or 5 deputy's at the entrance and only 2 of them working.I have seen this several times.Could this not be to much overhead and this money could be used for new weapons.I do not think we are going to have terriost here in St Joseph coming into our court house and 4 or 5 deputy's is a little much at the entrance to the court house.

December 4, 2009 at 5:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

mm1967,

Its my understanding that every courtroom has a deputy assigned to it. I have also seen where 4 or 5 deputies are at the front door, however its been usually around lunch time when the courts are not in session.
Im sure they have other duties assigned to them as well, such as prisoner escort. Even though the new video system was put in several yrs ago they still have to escort prisoners as needed.

December 4, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pops says...

Unless their current weapons are useless and inoperative, to buy NEW weapons when funds are so scarce is short-sighted and irresponsible.

I hope members of the police department and sheriff's department are reading this!!

Gentlemen, if you buy new weapons, you are WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY!!!

December 4, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

Iunderstand they need to escort prisioners but these guys are at the door more then once when I paid my taxes and when I changed my voter registration.This is also during court and I think the deputy's are upstairs as well when court is going on.Remember these are just things I have saw and are my own personal beliefs and by the way I go to the court house way before lunch time.But we do not need to waste money on anything when the county said the sheriffs dept is going to have to take a 240,000 dollar cut this coming year.Make due with what you have just like the people of our community are doing because of hard times in this horable economy.

December 4, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

SAFD, yes.

Hence the, "firsthand experience." I've been the drunk driver with a car full of cops and I've been a drunk passenger with a drunk driver, all cops.

Legend's, Uncle D's, Hi-Ho, Mirrors, Buffalo Bar. You name it, I was there. Usually in the same evening.

As for your question on who said what they did, I don't know that it is necessary. Can you cite one reference where I've "name dropped" and it was derogatory and NOT related to the conversation at hand?

I don't arbitrarily just make comments about police. If it is relevant, well then it's relevant. How is it not?

If you or anyone else would like to dispute the claims I've made then step up and file a libel or slander case. I'd absolutely show up in court with witnesses (already have a few lined up as I feel it's only a matter of time before I'm targeted by local authorities for my public comments).

Bottom line is, I'm not afraid to type this stuff, I'm not afraid to say it to their face and I'm certainly not afraid to air my truthful comments for fear of a paramilitary police force targeting me.

I'm an American and until someone can prove to the contrary I'll keep letting those skeletons out of the closets when it's called for.

December 4, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

LoD,
I was actually speaking of you past comments on stories.
Such as when the weapons were stolen from the officers squad car... You seemed all to happy to throw the names of officers out there to everyone that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
You may or may not have your facts straight as to your information that you are putting into your comments.
Just curious what is your current profession that you have chosen. How long has it been since you have worked for the county??

You may not be afraid to type this stuff, but the people that you call your "Friends" may have an issue with it.
I will agree that everyone has freedom of speech and that is what makes for good conversation on here. However when you put names out there and start telling everyone on here another persons personal business then I believe thats where you are wrong.
If they wanted everyone to know their business,then Im sure they would put it out there for all to see and sign their name to it.

Have a good night

December 5, 2009 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Local cops can cry all they want about spewing someone's personal business.

They've been trying to do it to me for 2 years on this site.

If you're going to call me out - call them out. There is a perfect example in this collection of comments alone, have you not seen them?

Are police NOT to set the example or what?

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Police are not held to the same standard as citizens and that's bull crap.

I'll take every opportunity to shed light on that.

December 6, 2009 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CatFish_Wiskers says...

lulz

Oh you crazy critters!

December 6, 2009 at 9 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

LOD,

You hit the nail on the head on your last comment.
Its not that I called you out, I just pointed out that you like to put names in your comments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
You are right, Police are looked at to set the example in the community, and thats why we are the first to be thrown in the fire for the smallest of things. and you are even more right.... Police are not held to the same standard as normal citizens... AND THAT IS BULLCRAP!!!!

Its like we (Law Enforcement) are expected to be robots and perfect in everything that we do or say, and if we step out of line then JOHN Q Public is the first to be there to correct us and let us know we screwed up.

So since you are a former deputy you have seen first hand how life is under a microscope. If I might ask, what happened?? Did you just not like your agency?? Or was it other matters that led to you departure from the county???

Please dont take this as any kind of direct insult or snide remark.... Im just trying to better understand your position in reference to our local agencies

December 7, 2009 at 12:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

I'll answer any question you've got if you would shove your cynicism up your hind end.

You want to camouflage you smart ass comments in the middle of otherwise sincere words? Pardon me if you are referenced o kiss something.

John Q Public SHOULD be the first to say something. The collective John Q Public is why you have a job, they are the ones you are to protect.

No one expects you to be any more perfect than anyone else. However, I WILL expect you to be higher moral fiber when no one is looking, or everyone is looking. I expect you to admit to your mistakes before the average citizen, that is the standard you should be held to.

When you commit a crime, I expect the punishment to be more severe since your first goal was community protection. The average citizen doesn't have the task of community protection by choice. In contrast, you DO have that task, BY CHOICE.

Quit patronizing me with your smart ass mouth. You know, I never understood people like you...

If it's a battle of cynicism you want, let's have it. But don't tell me you didn't intend to be snide right after making snide comments. That gets a feller thinking maybe you've got more than just an exchange of words on the mind.

If that's the case then just come out and say it and we can label your crap for what it is.

December 7, 2009 at 6:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

Nothing Ive said in my last comment to you was even close to be smarta***.
You are right again, we make a choice to serve and protect the community. Its a choice that I made and Im more than willing to accept. Im fully aware that the community is the reason that I have a job.

So since you have admittied to both diving while intoxicated and riding with drunk drivers, did you walk into your supervisors office admit to them your criminal actions.... Im sure that you didnt, and I sure dont remember seeing an article with your name all over it admitting that you broke the law by driving intoxicated.

If you are looking for a fight with someone then you might as well move on because your not going to get it here. I asked a simple question so I could better understand why you are so against our local agencies. If you took it as a snide comment then thats your problem not mine.

December 7, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pops says...

I'll weigh in here....
I don't believe police officers have any requirement to be of a higher moral caliber than anyone else. However, that said, I DO believe that police officers should obey the law....just like anyone else. That means that if it's against the law to speed, unless they're responding to an emergency, they shouldn't speed....or do a "rolling stop" at a stop sign....or text while driving, etc. Any and every law and ordnance that we John Q Public commoneers have to observe should be observed by the police as well....off duty AND on duty. I ALSO feel that cops and deputies should not have the ability to get their tickets "fixed" if they DO get caught in an infraction. I don't have that option...and neither should they.
While I have certain strong feelings about what is morally right and wrong, I do understand that morality is somewhat subjective. What is legal is not so subjective. Driving while intoxicated is illegal....and it shouldn't matter whether you have a badge or not.

December 7, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

proudmomof2 says...

interesting how LOD avoids the questions you asked, safd- I would have like to have known the answers. As none were given- I assume there is a deep bitterness regarding the his departure from the county.
LOD you do degrade local law enforcement at every opportunity. I know for fact that your opinion on "stereotypical " cops is not even close to the truth for almost everyone I know. All professions have people who are not the caliber for which you would hope they would aspire. But you seem to want to point out at every turn how lousy our local agencies are. It is actually quite nauseating to hear the misinformation and rants you spew on here. People grow tired of your all day commentary on what you have no idea about.

December 7, 2009 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Every profession isn't in charge of my liberties and freedom of movement. THAT is the difference between cops and the rest of society's many professions. What happened (since you're all so curious of me) in a nutshell... I worked fine under Mickey Gill with no problems, administrative or otherwise, and was eager to meet with and work for Mike Strong. Mike Strong ran on a strong platform of doing for the officers in all areas; weapons, training, college, family, etc. My first problem was him telling us that he wanted anyone to go back to school that wanted to and he would work with us and our supervisors to make that happen. So here I am 3 weeks into a semester of college and we switch to 12 hour days with a rotating shift. The schedule was you work Monday, Tuesday, had Wednesday off and work Friday Saturday and Sunday. The next week you had Monday and Tuesday off, worked Wednesday and Thursday and Friday, Saturday and Sunday off. Wouldn't be too difficult to go to class when you work 2 days a week, but those 5 day weeks were near impossible. After asking supervisors and sending a few emails to the sheriff it was clear: the changes are here to stay and your job is number 1. Next was the reprimands for harmless pranks I would pull on the other officers. For instance officers get a food bill when eating out of the county jail kitchen monthly. A typical bill would be $10 for the month. I used my expert MS Word skills and typed one up for another officer that said he owed $70 or something like that and would you believe this made it to the officer, who then complained to a supervisor who then took it to the sheriff and then called me into his office. STUPID and no, they didn't know it was me until after asking everyone, "who did it." So no, the officer I was pranking didn't "have it out for me." The supervisor on the other hand... So let's talk about this supervisor. This woman was CAUGHT with vodka in her damn Heartland cup she carried everywhere and was anything done about it? Nope. She FLAT OUT LIED, proven by video surveillance, on a report about me that almost landed me in a suspension. When my story came out and the video was compared, it was obvious she was lying. Did anything happen? Nope. But I almost got suspended... hmm. In fact I spent a week back and forth between the sergeants office for it but once the truth came out it wasn't worth pursuing.

December 7, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Next was the internal affairs investigations for use of force. I was written up for entering a cell without backup to deal with an unruly inmate WHEN THE LOWLIFE PUNK DEPUTY working the booking desk did not back up a fellow officer (me) when dealing with an unruly inmate because "she has asthma." WHATEVER - YOURE IN THE WRONG LINE OF WORK! Guess who the sergeant was? Yep, the same old LEATHERFACE that lied on an official police report about me that nothing was done about. This sergeant and female booking officer are tied at the hip - no big surprise in retrospect. Then there is the fact that the sheriff's largest campaign contributor, Roy Hamm, was doing ride alongs with deputies. This man is a convicted felon. Then there was the fact that his wife was arrested, as an employee of BCSD, for embezzling money from inmates' commissary accounts. She was then "sentenced" and given work-release permission to work at... K&R Auto Hut... WHERE THE BCSD SERVICES THEIR VEHICLES!!! Conflict of interest? Downright sketchy?
And then here's the big one - the one you've all been waiting for... I attended a party in Nebraska for New Years in 2005. At that party there was apparently a confidential informant that witnessed me purchase and take methamphetamine. This informant also claimed that I was running marijuana and meth from Kansas City to Omaha for a Mexican gang. Top notch information there. Soooo - I get called in on my birthday to be read the charges against me. I was given a urine analysis (passed) and scheduled a polygraph - all on the word of a certifiable meth head. I failed the polygraph - why? Because I was not honest on my pre-employment CVSA concerning the last time I smoked marijuana. The CVSA didn't pick it up, the polygraph did. And in fact, I had smoked on probably 3 occasions while an officer at BCSD. My punishment was going to be pass another polygraph with the new information, pass it, and spend at least 2 more years in the jail. I did not go to the academy to be a babysitter. I asked him to give me some time to think about it and I would let him know in a few days.

December 7, 2009 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

In those 3 days I thought about every time I drove drunk with cops, every time I treated someone like dirt in the jail and I thought about how my once bright outlook on life and people had become jaded and cynical. I talked with people I loved in that time and listened to what they had to say. I was at the point that I didn't care about helping people anymore. I wanted to shut 'em up when they needed shut up and I wanted to slam 'em to the ground when they needed slammed to the ground. I had fun doing it and those 3 days I thought about it I realized I had become everything that "cop haters" said we were. I drove drunk, I rode with drunk cops, I smoked marijuana while an officer and I just couldn't wait for someone to mouth me so I could put my hands all over them and have the courts on my side. This was attractive to me as I was a fighter and loved the rush of it. After a few days thinking about all this, it was not hard at all to round up my gear and turn it all in. The only thing I missed was the paycheck. It had gotten to the point that I only hung around with cops and I had such a piss poor outlook on society (as cops do, it's contagious) that I couldn't even go anywhere without just waiting for someone to say something smart ass so I could pounce. In short, my reasons are my own. I am a big enough man to admit when it's just not right. And it was NOT right for me to do the things I do while carrying a badge. THAT is why I'm so critical of officers. The confidential informant thing only fast-tracked my resignation as it was only a matter of time. I had already been going over this stuff and to be bluntly honest, I thought it was stupid of these guys to enforce marijuana laws as it is a misdemeanor and misdemeanors allow for officer discretion. I loved marijuana then and I love it now. It's my thing. I don't judge you for your scotch so you can keep your judgments. Couple all that with the 3 months I had off afterwards (cashed in county retirement), I had plenty of time to really submerse myself in the hypocrisy of law enforcement which eventually led to my political beliefs (which weren't really solidified at that point because I hadn't given it much thought). Clear as mud?

December 7, 2009 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

POSTED BY SAFD:

"Police are not held to the same standard as normal citizens... AND THAT IS BULLCRAP!!!!

Its like we (Law Enforcement) are expected to be robots and perfect in everything that we do or say, and if we step out of line then JOHN Q Public is the first to be there to correct us and let us know we screwed up"

If that isn't a mouthful of smart ass I don't know what is. You can still do what I suggested with it.

December 7, 2009 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

Sorry for no paragraphs, MS Word did it and I didn't want to fix it. Please direct all future LoD motive queries to this story. I consider this "must-know" information finished once and for all.

December 7, 2009 at 6:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

PROUDMOM - Show me one single instance of misinformation on my part. Can you offer one single example?

You even proved your own ignorance by speculating on why I hadn't answered SAFD's questions. You were and are completely wrong - I'm not hiding anything and there certainly isn't any bitterness. Law enforcement embodies almost everything I'm against as law enforcement as we know it exists only at the expense of an ever-expanding federal government that has NEVER given back what it has taken including liberty and freedom or the tax dollars that created it.

Why is it so hard to believe I just might be sincere about my words and feelings? Why do I have to have an ax to grind? Isn't it possible that I've so much to say about law enforcement because I've had direct experience?

Do you not speak from experience?

December 7, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

"I used my expert MS Word skills and typed one up for another officer that said he owed $70 or something like that and would you believe this made it to the officer, who then complained to a supervisor who then took it to the sheriff and then called me into his office. STUPID"

Looks like you brought that whole thing on yourself.

"I was written up for entering a cell without backup to deal with an unruly inmate WHEN THE LOWLIFE PUNK DEPUTY working the booking desk did not back up a fellow officer (me) when dealing with an unruly inmate because "she has asthma." WHATEVER - YOURE IN THE WRONG LINE OF WORK"

I don't recall having asthma was a disqualifing factor in law enforcement. Maybe you were the one that was really amping up the situation, since you couldn't wait to put your hands on somebody!!!!!

"At that party there was apparently a confidential informant that witnessed me purchase and take methamphetamine. This informant also claimed that I was running marijuana and meth from Kansas City to Omaha for a Mexican gang. Top notch information there."

Well since you were smoking marijuana, that might seem to be reliable information.

"I failed the polygraph - why? Because I was not honest on my pre-employment CVSA concerning the last time I smoked marijuana."

So you were a liar before you started as a deputy, you were a liar as a deputy..hmmmmmm I see a pattern here

"And in fact, I had smoked on probably 3 occasions while an officer at BCSD"

Only 3:.. Yeah right

"I was at the point that I didn't care about helping people anymore. I wanted to shut 'em up when they needed shut up and I wanted to slam 'em to the ground when they needed slammed to the ground. I had fun doing it"

So you were one of the cops that you like to comment about:.. Full of his ego and loves to put his hands on a person at the first chance!!!!!!

"I drove drunk, I rode with drunk cops, I smoked marijuana while an officer and I just couldn't wait for someone to mouth me so I could put my hands all over them and have the courts on my side. This was attractive to me as I was a fighter and loved the rush of it."

WOW::. That's all I can say

"To be bluntly honest, I thought it was stupid of these guys to enforce marijuana laws as it is a misdemeanor and misdemeanors allow for officer discretion. I loved marijuana then and I love it now. It's my thing."

Well the law is the law: Officers cant afford to pick and choose which laws they like and want to enforce!

LibertyOrDeath December 6, 2009 at 9:05 a.m.
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Police are not held to the same standard as citizens and that's bull crap.
I only used your sentence THAT YOU SAID YOURSELF

December 7, 2009 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

Basically to sum it all up,

That was you who was emotionally-charged ego-driven super-cop handing out shut up juice!!! (or getting it handed back to you)

You have only yourself to blame for your outcome at the sheriffs department.

It wasnt that you faced reality that you were a dirty cop, that stood for nothing in life and only disgraced your fellow officers daily.
You were finally caught up in your own game and Im sure that you quit to avoid prosecution and jail time!

Do yourself a favor and refrain from providing any additional imput on Law Enforcement related articles on this site. Your comments are not welcome.

December 7, 2009 at 8:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

LibertyorDeath,
I will say I apprecite your honesty about when you were a deputy and the reasons you quit.Now I would watch out they will be watching your every move to get you.
I also Know some of the things you speak of to be true about the ride alongs and certain people.

December 7, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CatFish_Wiskers says...

Oh man! That was JUICY stuff!!

Now tell us about your first roll in the hay. I simply must know.

December 7, 2009 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoisJohnGalt says...

LOL @ whiskers. Doesn't that comment belong in the Tiger Wood thread?

December 7, 2009 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

safd,
It almost sounds if LOD hit a nerve in you when you tell him not to post any further comments or have input on any further law enforcment related articles.
You know as well as I do officers go out and drink and drive home and do things that they are suppose to uphold the law for.Double standards I would say.don't tell the public it doesn't happen it does and I have seen it myslef.I do respect the job you all perform and I know it is stressful but it doesn't give police officers the right to be above the law.

December 7, 2009 at 10:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

mm1967,

I agree with you 100% in your last comment, there was no nerve that he struck with me. Its just funny that LoD seemes all high and mighty and the first to cry fowl and "Hes not afraid to let the skeleton out of the closet"

Just kinda funny that he trys to act that way, when in all reality he represented everything that he was commenting about.
I will admit that cops along with everyone else drink and drive. I dont agree with it one bit at all, how can you expect to enforce laws that you are breaking yourself??
Kinda makes you look dumb, when you are out driving drunk and then arrest drunks on duty!!!!

We live in a town where everybody knows the cops, and it makes it hard to justify enforcing the law when you are out on the town off duty acting an A**.
Im not saying its not okay to have a little fun, but if you take it too far then, man up and accept if you screw up.

December 7, 2009 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Realityck says...

Wow LoD I apploagize thats a meesed up deal , now I;m going to say something and its from the heart, have you ever talked to a counselor about the hate you have , the anger its not good to carry that bro, I have talked several times to one hear in town to deal with crap I had a case where a whole family ecept for a 12 yr old girl died on 59 I held that little girls hand as they cut her from the car as pieces of her moms brain matter fell into the girls lap, same week I had a 3yr old girl whos step grandfather raped her so violently she had to have reconstructive surgery and the step grandad told me when he was interviewed " the little girl wanted it" I'm not telling you this to get sympathy but to show you how anger and hate can mess you up, And it never really goes away without help

December 8, 2009 at 2:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CatFish_Wiskers says...

Oh, oh, my turn! Let me tell you fine folks all about my erectile dysfunction!

Now I'm not looking for sympathy here but blah blah blah...broken wang...

As for therapy? Naw, the guy seems fine. Totally rational and not at all delusional.

December 8, 2009 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ufc08 says...

LOD please keep on posting at least you speak the truth and do have first hand knowledge. safd maybe you should quit posting if you can not handle the truth. I have no doubt the majority of officers do believe they are above the law, break the law every day then laugh about it go out the next day to arrest someone for doing the same thing. As long as Strong and Scroggins are in office this county will be corrupt the two of them will frame you or do anything they want. People need to get wise to them and vote them both out. LOD sorry to hear about what happened to you at least you manned up admitted your part, now if the rest of the officers would be honest maybe not then we would have maybe a dozen officers left the rest would have to resign.

December 8, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

UFC08,

I can handle the truth, its just amusing that LOD is trying to speak of his "First Hand Knowledge" that he has on all of these subjects.
I just find it hard to believe that he was assigned to the jail and has all this experience!!!

There is a huge difference in responding to the call for service on the street and handling the call.... than being the fly on the wall and listening to all the stories at the booking desk and over a nice cold one after work... BIG DIFFERENCE

December 9, 2009 at 2:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

safd,
I think he was on the street before his incident,then he was assigned to the jail.At least this is the way I took it.
You admitted that officers go out and drink and drive and then when they are on duty arrest people for the same thing so what is going to be done about this?Are these officers going to be arrest for DWI?I mean I am a law abiding citizen and I am instilling this in my children but things like this are going on?Doesn't that kinda send mixed messages to our children?Then you all wonder when you pull a guy or lady over that has been drinking why they are agitated at you!!!.I find this very apolling and I hold you all more accountable for your actions in the public when you are off duty.Remember this the next time you pull someone over for a minor traffic infraction also remember this the next time you all pull someone over and they have been drinking and you did the samething the night before.Maybe you should just give them a ride home instead of to jail since you all do it and get by with it.I also find this apolling since my grandmother was hit and killed by a drunk driver while she was on her way to the cemetery to put flower on my grandfather grave.If I see this I will report it imediately, if you all want to drink so be it but do it in the confort of your home or have a desinated driver.SAFD I would like to hear you answers since you are a law enforcment officer here about the things I mention above.You all are suppose to set examples not break the laws you enforce.

December 9, 2009 at 2:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

safd says...

I like I said, I cant deny that officers drink and drive.
I cant be responsible for them, all I can do is lead by example by not drinking and driving!!!

They make a choice after drinking to climb in the drivers seat or not. If they decide to drive while intoxicated, then I believe they should be arrested just like any other person that is pulled over.
My feelings are well known at my agency and Im not really concerned if some dont agree with it or not. It is my personal opinion!!

Ill sum it by saying this:
If you expect to enforce the laws of this state, then dont break the same laws and expect a break if you are caught.

December 9, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ufc08 says...

safd i wish there was more like you. I respect you for your honesty, your dedication, and for your willingness to uphold the law for everyone. It would be nice if you was one of the higher ranking officers, you may be i do not know, we need the superiors to have your attitude and enforce the law to everyone even fellow officers.

December 9, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mm1967 says...

safd
Why are these laws then not enforced on these officers that believe they are above the law?Also sir I respect your position on this and wish the rest of the officers especially the ones who feel they are above the laws they enforce.
What is the dept doing to stress this to the officers breaking the laws and you and I know as well their superiors know which guys are doing thing like this such as drinking and driving.
Also these are the guys that give police officers a bad name.You know sir it is kinda of hard to respect a police officer pulling you over for a simple infraction such as speeding or such when we know we havew officers out there going out and getting drunk and then chosing to get into their cars and drive home and take the risk of hitting someone and killing them and this would always be someones family member that was taken away from them and then the dept would have a hugh black eye not to mention millions of dollars less after they were sued.I think the chief needs to address this issue and implemt a no tolerance policy if you do it then you are fired plain and simple.I would like to see some public answers from the dept on this issue.

December 11, 2009 at 5:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

The state of Missouri already has a law. If you are ARRESTED for DWI (not convicted) you lose your POST license for 5 years if I remember right.

The problem is - I only know of one cop in this area who was arrested for DWI. That arrest was made by MSHP and the officer was SJPD.

I will concede that aside from county supervisors, I've not "partied" with a PD supervisor. Lots of PD guys and girls but no supervisors. BUT, they know exactly what takes place just like SAFD admitted.

THAT is where I come in. The general public doesn't know this, much less have ever heard a real admittance from a current officer. This is the reason I say cheaters, thieves those who would cause harm to their fellow man should be publicly shunned.

Everyone knows someone it seems who is or has cheated on their spouses. We need to SHUN those people and do it publicly. Loudly.

Just like the officers who break laws except their punishment should be much more severe.

They are in charge of peoples liberties and freedom of movement. THAT makes the need for integrity among law enforcement to be of a higher standard.

Yes sir, I understand you are human, and humans make mistakes. Any human that expresses a lapse in judgement of such caliber does not deserve to serve the public as it is obvious they are unfit.

And as for you, "how I know so much." Listen dude, I told you already. These people were my regular crew that I ran with. Every day. Day and night for just over 4 years.

THATS my point exactly - in JUST 4 years I saw everything I've typed here. Pretty fricken' wild, huh? And this is just St. Joseph, Missouri. How much worse do you think Kansas City is?

How about Washington DC? How about Congress? The president?

The best way to keep someone honest is to keep making them answer for themselves every single day.

As long as I'm on here making these comments I'm sure there is at least one cop who has read it who maybe thought against drinking and driving some weekend. I didn't say cops don't have a conscience, just that it's rarely challenged.

I am here to challenge it. You ever heard the expression in poker, "I'll keep ya honest?" It means to make them put some skin in the game or get out.

I'm making cops put skin in the game because seriously, when no one asks and no one questions - what is there to even make these guys stop and think about what they're doing?

December 11, 2009 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

I know we didn't do a whole lot of pondering on the ride home about all the laws we were breaking. And the others at the bar know who the cops are. They KNEW we were officers yet no one challenged us. Ever. Why? Because law enforcement emits this persona that you don't even want to mess with them because, out of spite, they will make your world hell.

Do you know how much time in the academy is reserved for grappling or fight-simulation? Every other day for 6 months.

Guess how many days are spent teaching these new officers how to talk with people in a mitigating manner? Maybe a couple of days.

Pardon me if that seems to express an agenda. They don't care to talk to you - they would be more likely to put your face on the ground if you say the wrong thing.

That is NOT how law enforcement should be and I will not shut my mouth until it starts to make a return to those principles.

And those things will never happen in the current United States government system. It has to be dismantled from the top down.

Revolution is coming so go ahead and put my name on another list of dangerous local persons because mark my words when the proverbial crap hits the fan I will NOT submit to law enforcement local or otherwise.

THAT is where I stand.

December 11, 2009 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LibertyOrDeath says...

And as for your, "you are the people you talk about" jive.

I could have just as easily taken my punishment and stayed in law enforcement. With all my opinions and careless actions, I could have stayed in.

I CHOSE not to because I was unfit. I did not represent the standard that officers should abide by. Don't forget that aside from the marijuana, I had officers right next to me the entire time.

December 11, 2009 at 7:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )