Wednesday, September 30, 2009
The Youth Health Partnership held its annual meeting Tuesday afternoon at the Troester Media Center.
The joint meeting between the partnership and the St. Joseph Board of Education was a passing of the baton of sorts, as the group paid tribute to former Heartland Health president and CEO Lowell Kruse for his work in bringing the school district and the hospital together to promote childhood health. Mr. Kruse's successor, Mark Laney, told the group of about 70 people that he and Heartland Health would remain committed to Mr. Kruse's legacy.
"We don't want to wait until we get sick as adults to start taking care of ourselves," Dr. Laney said. "If we're just going to take care of people that are adults that come to the hospital, we failed in the health care system."
The partnership spent most of the meeting reviewing its efforts over the last year and setting new goals. One of its biggest successes was the Fourth Grade Challenge, a youth healthful lifestyles program.
There were 153 participants from Coleman, Edison, Hall and Mark Twain elementary schools who participated in the Fourth Grade Challenge last year. One of the goals of the partnership is to expand the program to include more schools and also add some fifth-grade classes.
Other goals for the Youth Health Partnership include:
* Having 95 percent of all children up to age 4 immunized by 2010.
* Increasing the number of children receiving well-child exams.
* Reducing the number of referrals for oral health.
* Reducing the number of teen pregnancies.
* Reducing the number of children not meeting fitness standards.
* Increasing the percentage of youth who have 21 or more developmental assets.
The Youth Health Partnership was formed in July 1997 as a collaborative effort between the school district and Heartland Health to promote youth health.
Other community organizations in the partnership include Circle of H.O.P.E., Northwest Health Services, City of St. Joseph Health Department, St. Joseph Youth Alliance, United Way of Greater St. Joseph and the University of Missouri-Kansas City Dental School.
"All of this happens because of collaboration," Mr. Kruse said.
In related news, Eileen Duty, school district coordinator of health services, reported there were 65 cases of Type A flu reported in the district as of Tuesday. She cautioned that did not mean those were necessarily H1N1 flu cases.
"Most of the doctors, when they do the nasal swab, they're testing for Type A influenza. H1N1 falls into that category, but so do some other flu-type viruses," Ms. Duty said. "It would be safe to say they have tested positive for a flu virus."
Alonzo Weston can be reached at alonzow@npgco.com.
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ksmith says...
I would say this town is behind the times with this. All the schools should be involved and it should be all grades. Not just one grade. Involve all children. Set up weekend places they can go to do this and watch how many children participate. Why just 4th grade? Why not all of them? Involve them all and that will promote childhood health.
Also, how many more students have to get the "flu" before they shut the schools down to disinfect totally like Elwood did? This should be done before it gets worse.
September 30, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yougottabekiddingme says...
"In related news, Eileen Duty, school district coordinator of health services, reported there were 65 cases of Type A flu reported in the district as of Tuesday. She cautioned that did not mean those were necessarily H1N1 flu cases."
I have talked to two doctors who tell me that IF a person tests positive for the flu right now, it is MOST LIKELY the H1N1 since it is not time for the seasonal flu. Many, many kids have tested positive at my childs school for flu, including my own. I was told it was H1N1. Come on Alonso, do some independent research - don't just take the SD's word for it.
I find it typical that other schools close down and disinfect and put extra safety precautions in place when a child in their school is diagnosed with H1N1, however, the SJSD, in typical fashion just choses to spread misinformation.
September 30, 2009 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
The school district MUST take this flu very seriuosly because there are children with repirtorary problems such as ashtma and the regular flu is very danerous to them and this H1N1 is probably just as danagerous if not more dangerous to these children.They need to let the parents know for they can keep these children home with respirtory problems because it could be very dangerous to them.The nerve of them for not.
And ksmith is correct how many more cases of the FLU is going to have to be found and how many more children are going to get sick till they do shut the schools that have these cases and disinfect them as Elwood did?More of the same no COMMUNICATION.I guess I will be called a HATER for this post as well even though it addresses the health of our communitys children.
September 30, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
yougottabe.. I agree with you your right SJSD does try to send misinformation although, Savannah is not too far from St Joe and yet you hear nothing about how many kids from there have the "tpye A" virus. They keep it more hush hush than St Joe. I think it should be mandatory to report it to the public on a weekly basis so we can watch how it is spreading. Everywhere in a 20 mile radius should have to report because a lot of those people have doctors in St Joe as well as shop there.
September 30, 2009 at 6:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM your right, my son has asthma and his doctor sent me all sorts of papers about how to try to protect him from getting this nasty flu. He does get sick easier than most kids and it scares me knowing he is in school now and they are not doing everything they can to protect the children. They again should be ashamed. They should take extra precautions. Elwood also installed hand sanitizers in all classrooms. Yes it cost them but, they did it for the children and the Teachers. St Joe needs to take a lesson from that. Also, parents need to not send there kids to school when they are sick and all schools should follow this policy. If they see a kid is sick they need to send them home and not allow them back without a doctors note. Too often parents know a child is sick and yet they still send them.
September 30, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith my sons have asthma as well and it scares the crap out of me that they are taking these chances with our childrens health.Our doctors have as well sent us home with of info on how to protect them from this and if the school is full of this flu my children will be at home till it passes because you are right they get sick easier then other children do.I think we need to be calling downtown tommorow and demanding answers to this and what they are doing to protect our children from this flu.This actually could as I said before be very dangerous to our children.And you are correct if you child has a fever and shows signs of being sick please keep them home till this passes.But if it is in the schools already they need to be taking action to get these school disinfected and precautions after for the health of our communitys children.
September 30, 2009 at 6:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
This also boils down to the district being more open and transparent with the community.They continue to hide and run from their problems but this one is endangering the lives of our children.
September 30, 2009 at 6:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM your last comment is so right.. They once again are showing there true side. Also, your right, I for one will be calling them tomorrow to see what they are doing to protect our children. So far I have seen nothing.
September 30, 2009 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Keep me posted as to what they tell you and I will let you know as well after I call tommorow.Mrs Duty should know better then this and know what position she as the district they are putting our children in.
September 30, 2009 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
Before the school board starts mandating our children must adhere to some "fitness standard" I'd like to see the board members, AND Ms. Duty, meet similar fitness standards. Personally, I'd be offended were I a student required to adhere to some standard forced on my by an overweight board member who can't run a city block and who is unable to do 10 pushups.
September 30, 2009 at 7:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yougottabekiddingme says...
mm and ksmith - I hope that you will call your neighborhood school nurse and not Ms. Duty. I talked to mine when my son first got sick and she gave me the same line that the doctors gave me, which was that several students in the school had tested positive for the flu and they had been told to assume it was H1N1 because it was too early for seasonal flu.
The district seems to also have a problem communicating with their staff....
September 30, 2009 at 7:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Yougottabekidding me I will speak with our school nurse tommorow and see what reply I get and if there is any cases in our school first then if there is I will be calling downtown to find out what their response to the situation will be and if they will follow what our goverment has asked them to follow or are they just going to disregard their recomendations and put our children in jepardy of getting this.Like I said children with respirtoary problems such as athsma this could be very dangerous to them and to the extent deadly.
September 30, 2009 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM I will let you know what they tell me. While I agree with calling the school nurse first I must say it is the ones downtown who should be on top of this. That is what they are getting paid for and ultimately they are the ones who will be make any decisions on what to do.
September 30, 2009 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Look APPLE I will address this one with you because unless you have children with athsma and respitory problemns you have no idea what we have to go thru during normal flu season and now to have H1N1 that has killed people and it cold be very dangerous to our children we have a damn right to know what is going on with this and what actions are going to be taken to protect our children.Do you pay my childrens medical bills and 1 of my sons has this so bad that his medication is over 1400 dollars a month just for he can breath. So as the goverment said they should close the schools infected and disinfect them.I do not know if this is the case at our school as of yet and will talk to the school nurse but I will not stand by while this is going on and not ask question because of my sons. I would like for you to know it is not over reacting for children with these problems they could die from crap like this and I would not ever want to lose one of my children for any reason and for damn sure because of the district afraid they were going to lose a few dollars from the state because the school was closed to clean it.And if my children are sick they do not come to school plain and simple I am not stupid.This is not directed toward Hate as you continue to insist it because of the health of my children not yours not the districts.
September 30, 2009 at 8:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Apple, why is it that you always seem to stand up for this district even if they are in the wrong. MM is right, children with any sort of breathing problems get affected a lot more than children without. A lot easier also. They CAN release numbers. They CAN release schools which have students out because of it. They cannot release names is all they cannot release. They also can do everything possible and take every precaution possible to help prevent a large outbreak. And let me tell you, a child who has asthma has there breathing affected each time they get so much as a bad cold. Sometimes a minor cold. So a flu affects them even worse. It is one of the worst things a parent will go through is watching there young child having to struggle to breathe. So yes, parents need to be concerned and they need to get on this district and all the close districts to do something before it gets worse.
September 30, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith we are talking to brick wall when we address APPLE she seems to think it all is always about the ditrict she is very confused on this issue.As I stated I have one son that has to have all of his medication in his nedulizer machine and the one med Pulmicort is over 1000 a month and the albuteral is around 350 to 400 a month. Thank god for our insurance and then on top of that a inhaler for emergencys.+Not to add the other ones meds.And it is very hard to atch our children when they are fighting to breath. This district needs to have a plan and let the parents know what and when they will take action and not jepordize our children.All of the districts need to address this in our area.
September 30, 2009 at 8:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM I know talking to Apple is worse than a brick wall. Also, I know all about the nebulizer and albuterol. My son is on that and his inhaler. Although for his inhaler it is ProAir. He also is on singulair at night. UGH.. They do need to have a plan and let everyone know what that plan is. They had all summer to plan this but they are too busy worrying about money and once again not the children.
September 30, 2009 at 8:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Now Apple is a Doctor and knows about this issue as well.
September 30, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Yes apple I agree this flu will spread but, they need to do everything they can to try to prevent that. Also, you say it doesnt make sense to close a whole school for a few kids. That is wrong. They cannot just have parents keep kids home who have any breathing problems. How fair is that? This is about having an action plan and keeping the schools disinfected. Look what Elwood did. They disinfected the whole school. They added hand sanitizer pumps in every classroom. They are doing everything they can to help it from not spreading as bad as if they had done nothing. All of Buchanan and the surrounding counties need to do this same thing to there schools. They need to CARE about the students and teachers enough to try to control this the best they can not just say "oh well, its going to spread so we will do nothing". They should release the information. Parents have a right to know. People need a wake up call on this one to see how severe it is.
September 30, 2009 at 8:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith you know ever since they have found this in my sons the night time is what worries me the most I do not as well as my wife does not sleep very well we are always up and checking on them.Thier inhaler is ProAir as well but the one still takes albuteral in his nebulizer as well as the Pulmicort.This just as you said they had all summer to come up with a plan to address this and to what they were going to do not wait till the last minute.And that is all they are worried about it seems like money and more money not our children.Keep me posted as to what you find out as I will keep you posted as well.Good Luck Ksmith.
September 30, 2009 at 8:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Good luck to you too MM I will keep you posted and will be curious as to what you find out too. I agree with you about the night time. It is the worst. Makes for some short nights. I will keep you updated.
September 30, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple a;so if you keep your children home you know there is attendance laws that children have to go to school.This is not pointing to anything but they need to address the situation and have a plan and do what the ELWOOD schools did and by the way this is what I have read from the goverment as well. Does our district think it is above anybody eleses district are they willing to accept responsiblity for children like mine and Ksmith when they get this and they did nothing to take precautions?
September 30, 2009 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Believe me apple when I say and I am sure Ksmith has taken all of the precautions for our children.And lets look at it this came out at the end of last year and our children have been out od school for the summer and we made sure not to have our children in contact eith this and took all of the precautins you can possibly take. Now if the schools have this they need to do what the school in Elwood did as other schools did last year. I also remember some students dying from this as well as a couple of teachers in New York last school year.Apple our local school officals know about our children and I am sure Ksmiths does as well.See we are very caring parents and care about our childrens welfare.
September 30, 2009 at 9:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Correct apple children without these respitory problems could die as well but our children with these problems are more suseptable and it is harder on them then a child without these conditions.Have you ever seen a person fighting for their breath because of this condition not to mention a child is is heart breaking and it is very scary to see this.I think the district should request this info from the students doctors and if it is the H1N1 virus then actions need to be taken ASAP.
September 30, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Apple, just to let you know I have talked with the school nurse before the first day of school about this flu. I was assured they will do everything possible to keep it out of the schools. Just as everyone has said, they will not allow children in school who have fevers or cough. Well, we all know there are kids there with coughs and fevers. They just do not send them home as they stated they would. MM is right, we kept our children healthy all summer long. We took every precaution we could take and we are now asking the schools to do the same which they are not doing. If they have this plan in place they need to quit trying to downplay it and start acting on the plan. MM is right, there were students and teachers who died from this. It is serious and they need to act like it is.
September 30, 2009 at 9:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Sure Apple we will keep our kids home so they can get behind and have to redo the grade. Wow, there is an idea. No, this school district can do there JOB and start for once worrying about the children. Do you want to tell my son he cannot go to school until the schools do there job? I sure don't how unfair is that to him? Schools are supposed to be safe and they need to make them safe. We are not asking for anything out of line. Read on the internet. Schools all over the US are disinfecting all the time. Why is this areas schools so far behind? I will tell you. It is because they do not face the facts. They also do not care about the children. I would like to see everyone from downtown in the classrooms for the next two weeks. I bet it would be disinfected before they went in there for two full weeks.
September 30, 2009 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith,
I as well would like to see these downtown people and board out in the classroom for the next few weeks I bet as well the disinfecting would be done imediately.And it is unfair to tell our children they cannot go to school till our district wakes up and does what they know needs done.There in nothing more serious right now in our schools then this if it is H1N1 or even a type A break out it needs addressed and it needs addressed now not later when it is to late.These schools could be disinfected over the weekends and every weekend till this passes and these hand sanitizers could be put in as well.Do what ever it take to stop it from spreading from child to child.
September 30, 2009 at 9:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple 35.5 million is in reserve use it.There my answer.
September 30, 2009 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Lets see 65 cases type A which just happens to be the same type H1N1 falls under and it was in Elwood schools and in our college here in St Joe as well as Northwest in Maryville lets see whats the chance it is H1N1 about 100% since the regular Flu season is not even here yet.The writting is on the wall.
September 30, 2009 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple in this article read the full article read clear to the bottom please.
September 30, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
That's ok apple.
October 1, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
iamheartland says...
I commend the SJSD, Heartland Health and other local partnerships for tackling the health problems with our youth. I would like the people who think this should be expanded to all grades to think through the manpower it would take to manage this. Right now, the 4th Grade Challenge is championed by Dr. Jane Schwabe from Heartland and staffed mainly by members of Heartland Wellness Connections and other members of the Youth Partnership.
Last year was the first year of the program and it was a huge hit with the kids. This year it's being expanded and hopefully it will continue to expand. But, at some point the rest of the community will have to step up and help Heartland and the Youth Partnership with managing the logistics of this program. Until then, Heartland will continue to get out in the community and help people lead healthier lives.
October 1, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yougottabekiddingme says...
Quetion: "Apple, why is it that you always seem to stand up for this district even if they are in the wrong."
Answer: Because Apple IS the district.
October 1, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I got standard answer to this Ksmith and none that put my mind to rest. All it did was make me have more questions.More a less was told it was everywhere and our children could get it from anywhere. Even though we know how to keep our children out of Harms way.So I guess this means they have no intention on doing anything to our school just to tell parents to keep their sick children home and nothing more is what I took away from my conversations.
I noticed several schools throughout the country have plans in place and have for sometime you can find these on the internet everywhere.Maybe you got more info then I did Ksmith look forward to hearing.
October 1, 2009 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
terrebatu says...
mm and ksmith- You guys are absolutely pathetic. Why don't you get a life instead of stalking these boards 24/7? Here's an idea, shut off the computer and go spend some time with your children.
October 1, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM I got pretty much the same answer as you. Although, I was told they are reminding children to wash there hands frequently. They were sure to tell me it is not only in schools. They asked if I understood it was everywhere and I assured them I did and I take precautions to keep it away from my children and that they should be doing the same. So, your right, it looks as if they are going to do nothing.
terra, MM and I do spend time with our children. I spend a lot of time with mine but there are times children are playing and sleeping. So, why dont you get a life and quit stalking MM and I on here. MM and I were on here trying to find ways to protect our children and venting that our schools arent. I see nothing wrong with that. So, mind your on business. This is for the health of our children as well as many others.
October 1, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
apple- they did not openly say they had confirmed cases of H1N1 only that there was the type A virus going around.
October 1, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
terrabatu,
No you know what's pathetic is people like you to fail to see the inportantance of this to me and Ksmtih and our children and we as Ksmith has said spend plenty of time with our children and are very caring parents or we would not be trying to get the answers we are looking for and protecting our children.
Heres also a idea since you do not know either one of us mind your own business and get a life of your own terra and we will worry about our children since our incompent SJSD/SJSB cannot come up with a plan to protect our communitys children from this virus.I was not told if it was H1N1 virus as well but you better believe if my child gets it and they have done nothing as our goverment has recommended the schools in our country to do they will be getting to know me on a real personal level.Terra I am sorry that we are not following your status quo and we are making waves for you all but get used to it .
October 1, 2009 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
The School District uses disinfectant everyday. To say they don't use disinfectant is ridiculous. Even if you disinfect every single surface in the school every day, as soon as anyone enters the building germs can re-spread. Disinfection only kills germs that are present on the surface. To think that the District can somehow magically keep all of the children from catching an extremely contagious flu by spending a few extra dollars is beyond ridiculous. If they spent 30 million dollars on it they still couldn't stop it. There has also been several studies that prove closing schools does not help.
mm1967 and ksmith do nothing but sit at their computers waiting for the next Alonzo article so they can start the complaining. I find it hilarious that you complain about apple always defending the district when you would complain about the district no matter what was written.
October 1, 2009 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
By the way here is the CDC reccomendation for schools and disinfection:
Routine cleaning:
School staff should routinely clean areas that students and staff touch often with the cleaners they typically use. CDC does not believe any additional disinfection of environmental surfaces beyond the recommended routine cleaning is required.
I suppose the center for disease control doesn't care about your children either?
October 1, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Shadow,
It is ridiculous to want to protect your child?Also mind you if there is such a out break and you do not FOG your biulding and just would let kids out and close the school but they do not even seem like they are going to do that just continue to spread it around at school seems to be their outlook. I am sure the virus is still going to be there upon return.I am such as Complainer That I guess the district has done nothing to deserve the fustration of parents.I guess you should go back to May and start from there.Well we will know for sure on Nov 3rd how much fustration with the parents is out there won't we.You know at this point the state taking over looks better everyday at least we would have the current bunch gone.
October 1, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
What wrong with above and beyond percautions oh that right they are afraid to spend some of our tax payer 35.5 million reserve.And lets ut it this way NOBODY cares as much about their children as the parent of that child.
October 1, 2009 at 3:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
Thanks for making my point.
They are following CDC guidelines.
You are assuming the worst because it "seems like" that's what they are going to do.
I didn't say it is ridiculous to want to protect your child, I said it is ridiculous to make claims that are not true.
By the way, there are absolutely no recommendations to "fog" schools.
October 1, 2009 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Seems as if alot of the schools in this country are fogging their schools why is ours so special that we will not have to do this?That right money it all comes down to to al mighty dollar.
October 1, 2009 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
shodow but it ok for the district to make claims that are not true? Think about that one for a minute.
October 1, 2009 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
It Seems like it? Where do you get your information?
Fogging does not cost more than normal disinfection and can be less effective. H1N1 is not an airborne disease. You get it from touching objects that have H1N1 on them. There is no reason to use a fogger for the air. Unless you have some special information other than "It seems like..." maybe you should actually let people that know how to disinfect properly take care of it.
Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is beholden to the almighty dollar? You should really think about a different argument.
October 1, 2009 at 4:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
Maybe your child could get even sicker if they fogged, mm: http://www.picayuneitem.com/local/loc...
If this happened, would you still blame the SJSD for making your child sick with the fogging agent that you recommended to prevent the flu?
October 1, 2009 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Fogging "ENSURES" that all contact surfaces are being taken care of and other areas you may not be able to get to this one I know for sure.Lets just say I happen to know a little about airborne virus and contact surface virus.
October 1, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
mm, yet the Centers for Disease Control don't recommend fogging as part of their flu virus prevention. Who should we listen to... you or the CDC? Easy choice.
October 1, 2009 at 4:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
Have a source for that?
Here is mine:
http://cdc.gov/h1n1flu/schools/school...
October 1, 2009 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple let clarifiy what I was actually told they told me type A cases have been confirmed and that H1N1 fall under type A so theres a pretty good chance that it is H1N1 with the wide spread out break that is happening right now. Now it really does not matter if it is Type A and it gets worse something needs to be done then take the outlokk it is everywhere .We know it is everywhere and we as parents take special percautions to protect our children so why does the district fell it is above taking and special precautions as well.Apple you have no clue what our children go through so by us wanting answers and not getting them and s venting we are full of HATE. Hate has nothing to do with this apple it is about the welfare of our children and us caring as parents.You have B _ _ _ _ _ _ when you said parent need to be more involved with their kids and when people are you still B_ _ _ _.You and your nice little Hate therory is getting alittle old.Look at it from a different view for a change or will that hurt you to do that
October 1, 2009 at 4:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
The bottom line on any disinfection is that it only disinfects the surfaces. As soon as children are back in school they will continue to spread H1N1 if they have it. No one can eliminate the virus including the School District.
October 1, 2009 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
You people act as if it is to much to ask for when childrens lifes are at risk. Cold hearted people.I am glad I did not grow up with uncaring people as you all are.Do we have to remind you teachers and children have died from this.
October 1, 2009 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
I want the final word on this...
October 1, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Closed minded people.
October 1, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
Unacceptable! I want the final word on this...
October 1, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
Dang it, apple!
October 1, 2009 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
This is the most rediculous thing I have ever read in some of these posts. I never thought I would be seeing these types of comments just because there are parents who care about there children and want them to stay safe and healthy. It is pretty sad that it has come to this. You would think our schools would do as other schools have and do everything possible to stop the spread of this. Yes, parents should keep sick kids home, yes, schools should take extra precaution to stop the spread. How hard is that to figure out? Schools are supposed to be so safe but the schools around here (not just St Joe) are doing nothing. And they will continue to do nothing because they do not care and they want to deny anything can happen in these schools. This denial is what keeps it spreading so bad. I would say 65 cases is enough for them to do something and that means more than what they are doing.
October 1, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheShadow says...
What do you think they should be doing that they are not doing now?
October 1, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
The CDC estimates that 36,000 people died from the regular flu last year, ksmith. How many of those were kids from the SJSD? Did you make this big a fuss last year... and the year before.. and the year before? You and mm are panicking and stating that the SJSD doesn't care about kids because they are not following your sky-is-falling mentality. If you are that scared about the flu killing your child you can always homeschool and place them in a plastic bubble.
October 1, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
sjsk8rboi,
What do you not understand that children with problem such as Mine and Ksmiths are in more danger then a child without respitory problems?And yes at Flu seanon last year I voived my concerns and kept my children home for a few days.You know our children at this time of the year at time seem as if they have to be in a plastic bubble because of the normal flu and now this flu. Let me ask you this what would you do if your child had this respitory problem and they died from this flu would'nt you just about lose it when you lost your child?Such agorgance from people to critize parents for carinfg about their childrens welfare.As Ksmith has said our schools are suppose to be safe.The district may want to send some letters home with the children telling educating parents more on what signs and when to keep their children home instead of sending them to school sick and some school may have already done this but we have seen none as of yet.The sjsd is'nt even looking at this as if it could be a major outbreak in our schools they are just conducting business as usaual.Walk a mile in our shoes with our children condition and then you would see what we are talking about.
October 1, 2009 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple how would you know this since you have no children in school unless you happen to work at a school in some fashion?Like I said we have had none sent home with our children as of yet.
October 1, 2009 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
I believe there was a letter at the beginning of school.
October 1, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Well thid letter must of not been sent to our school to send home we never got one.
October 1, 2009 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drbjr says...
Considering the number of copies of various things that come home at the beginning of school it would be easy to miss it.
October 1, 2009 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Really I am sure I did not miss it I look at the papers my children bring home everyday.
October 1, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pops says...
I can tell you my son was ill, several different times for several days last year, and the doctor's notes didn't help. The school STILL reported us to the prosecuting attorney. This was even after our son had surgery....so apple, don't tell me the doctor's note is all I need. Every SINGLE time my son was ill, and obviously, for surgery, we had a doctor's note. Don't insult my intelligence, either, by telling me they're all about the kids...and not about the money they lose when a kid isn't in school.
My son also came home with a letter from the nurse at the beginning of last school year, and the letter said the district was "concerned" about his being borderline "obese". How idiotic!! First of all, he's not even CLOSE to being "obese". Secondly, the note wasn't even sealed, so he READ it, and it very much affected him. Talk about a killer blow to a kid's self-image!!
I'm about as tired as I can be of those who would blindly and aimlessly follow the St. Joe School District and singing their praises. The district is OUT OF CONTROL and OUT OF TOUCH!!! So far, this year, thanks to the surgery my son had LAST year, he's missed very little school. However, we're just getting into the flu season. If I get another stupid letter from the school, the district, or the prosecutor, I think I'll take it to the State Department of Education, and file charges.....
October 1, 2009 at 8:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Pops last year as well we pulled our child out due to the flu and had a doctors statement as well and we got a threating letter from them that they were going to send it to the procecutor and I called and told them we had the doctors statment and they had it as well and I told them to go ahead and prosecute us and my attorney would love to come and talk to them.I never heard anymore about it after I told them this.They say it is the attendance law but the fact remained we had doctor documentation and they will still send it downtown to the procecutor if you do not call them out on it because they lose funds when children are not in school.That what this law if for as far as I can see. Sure there are parents that do deserve to get into trouble for just not making sure children attend school but when it is medical it is just crazy they turn you over to the prosecuter.I would be very upset as well if my child was sent a unsealed letter with your child that stated that and I am sure it had a negitive affect on your child. They are out of control and out of touch with reality.But you know this makes us Haters.But as far as I can see the sjsd offices downtown are lazy and out of touch with what is going on in their own schools and the general public as a whole.
October 1, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
Pops, that is horrible what happened to your child with the letter being unsealed. I hope you got it through to your child that he is not obese. I think that would have made me go as high as I could with something like that. Think of the emotional affect it had on that child. How horrible. Plus your right, a doctors note is not always good enough. This district thinks they have there own laws to follow and do not have to go by anything else. They argued with me about letting my son carry his inhaler on him. They wanted it at the nurses office and told me he could "walk" there if he needed it. Well, there is a state law in most every state and missouri that says children can carry there inhalers/Epipens on them. I had to take them a copy of the law just for my sons school to allow it. You and MM are right, they are way out of touch.
October 1, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith I did not know that one they as well have told us the same thing when it comes to my children inhaler.I will have to look that up and make sure they know this at our school as well for they can have their inhalers with them.If they are having a athsma attack sometimes a walk to the office is a awlful long walk not being able to breath.But that is right we are just ranting about this subject and are not really concerned about our children to listen to a few select people here.
October 1, 2009 at 8:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ksmith says...
MM I will give you the link to the website. Pay close attention to section 2 where it says the word shall. In the court of law the word shall means must.. Here is the link there are a few things you have to do like have a doctors note that the child knows how to administer it to themself. Then you come up with a plan on what your child does once they use it. The plan we use is my son tells his teacher, she gets the nurse to come to the room to get him and takes him to her office, listens to him and makes sure his breathing is better. Ok, here is the link. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C100-...
I just cannot take chances with them making my son walk if he is in a full fledged attack because he cannot walk at that time. So, this is the law and they have to follow it. The law overrides the board policy. Most people do not know about this because the district has different policies than the law states. I feel much better with my son having his inhaler. He keeps it on him in a fanny pack so it is easy to grab and he always knows where it is.
October 1, 2009 at 9 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Thanks Ksmith I will open this up and print it out and then address the situation.
Also apple if you are this blind to the fact that this is H1N1 then believe wht you want but the regular flu season is not even here yet and the doctors are just seeing if it is type A and it is and the H1N1 falls into this catagory.Look around us and see for yourself where the cases are at right now.I did talk to our doctor and he said that more tehn likely that this is H1N1 and they will treat it as such if children have type A.Open you eyes and see it in a different perspective I know this is hard for you to do.
October 1, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ksmith I opened it up and got it printed out thank you.I hope and that you child does not have any issues this year with this flu and he does fine.I totally understand what you go through as we go through the same things. Again thank you.
October 1, 2009 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
I just got to thinking...Since they have closed down 2 schools and evidently created a large overcrowding problem in some of the schools, is it not possible that the board/administrators may contribute to the flu problems anyway? Students are coming from various areas of town, to their schools, and then returning to their own areas of town. I remember when I got my flu shot. The suggestion was that H1N1 was not all that prevalent, but they suggested that you get the regular flu shot, because recovering from the regular flu, put you at risk for the H1N1 flu, when it came. This could be an interesting year.
October 1, 2009 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
(St. Joseph, Mo.) If you get the flu, it's more than likely the H1N1 virus.
That's the word health professionals told a group of doctors and nurses Friday at Heartland Hospital.
The Hospital's Infectious Diseases Director, Dr. Scott Folk, updated a group of community health professionals on the virus.
He said while Missouri is only seeing sporadic cases of H1N1 now, but that could soon change.
"The CDC has said that there could be up to 90,000 deaths this year in the United States alone from the H1N1 infection," Folk said.
That's double the amount of deaths that occur each year from the seasonal flu.
A few cases of H1N1 have already been diagnosed in St. Joseph.
"For a community this size, I'd say we're seeing just a steady flow of people who are having flu," RN Pamela Joggerst said.
Ron Tolen, with the health department, said most people who come down with flu symptoms are more than likely experiencing the H1N1 virus.
"Nearly 90% or more in the United States is that strain of flu, there's no other seasonal flu that's occurring right now," Tolen said.
Finding out if you have it is tricky due to lack of testing available.
"Most of the cases are just clinically diagnosed and they resolve without any serious affects, most are not even hospitalized," Tolen said.
"The people that's most concerning are the people that are at high risk for complications either of disease itself or death," Folk said.
On Tuesday, the FDA approved a vaccine for the virus, but it won't be available until next month. Pregnant women, young children, and those with an already weak immune system will be able to get the shot first.
Folk said the average age of someone who gets the virus is 12. The average age of those dying from H1N1 is 37.
"When you start getting people in groups and school starts, you start seeing more and more disease," Joggerst said.
A few concerns among the professionals include who to test and what to do with those who already have a weak immune system.
Officials said Heartland plans to put up signs asking those experiencing H1N1 symptoms to not come visit family and friends. They're also warning health care workers to better protect themselves.
Folk urged them to stay on top of the latest news surrounding the virus, but he said all anyone can do right now is to take it one day at a time.
Experts said the seasonal flu doesn't begin until October and won't peak until February.
They're concerned if the H1N1 vaccine isn't effective, we could see a flu outbreak after the first of the year.
October 1, 2009 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Orliandor says...
Hope those teachers are faster this year wiping those little noses.
October 2, 2009 at 5:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Stand in line and they just might whip yours
October 2, 2009 at 6:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
I hope that the district has seen the above mention article and understand it.Just like I said type A FLU and H1N1 is type A and it also stated that if you have the flu now it is more then likely H1N1.So where's their plan for the schools.
October 2, 2009 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
One word people: HOMESCHOOL
If you don't like the SJSD and their flu prevention techniques, then teach them yourselves or move somewhere that caters to your individual needs.
October 2, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
It's not about individual needs it is about them telling us what their plan is and when they plan on acting and how bad it has to get before they act.SIMPLE COMMUNICATION there that word again seems like it is in all things rlated to the school district.
This article apple was last Friday let me repeat that last Friday.So it said if you have the flu it is pretty much H1N1 and the regular flu.No apple if you look at you thumbs down people really think you are the joke and just in love with the district and they can do no wrong.See also I could care a less if they speak to me because I can have the final say at the ballot as most likely the rest of the public will as well.
October 2, 2009 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
Here's what the SJSD is doing for the children:
http://web.sjsd.k12.mo.us/Admin/News/...
This is the simple communication they provided to you. What more do you want? They are following the recommendations of the CDC and the Buchanan County Health Department. BTW, I found this link on the SJSD Website in like 1 minute. Google is your friend.
http://web.sjsd.k12.mo.us/Index.asp
October 2, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Oh no APPLE I do not care about my children such a comment for you to make. But I expect it coming from you.And when the disrict does dumb things they seserve what they get.If you do not think the district does'nt have a magnifing glass on them from the whole community you are just out of touch as they are.
October 2, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sjsk8rboi says...
I know there is a feud between you and apple, mm, but can't you see that in this one case, the SJSD has done everything they need to to ensure the safety of the children? They are doing what the federal and state government require them to do. They do not need to spend money on prevention techniques that do not work. They have communicated with you (the parent) on what they are doing and what you should do in case of flu like symptoms. They have included this on their Web site so you can refer to it as needed. If things get worse, they will be notified by the Buchanan County Health Department and act accordingly. It's really that simple.
I do not doubt that you care for your children, just as I care for mine. But, there is really nothing more the SJSD can do that they are not already doing to prevent kids from getting sick. Your recommendations are not what the CDC recommends and they are listening to the experts for guidance. If your child is in a high-risk group, then you can speak with your PCP to determine what to do next. You have choices. I truly hope and pray that your child stays healthy this flu season.
October 2, 2009 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
sjsk8rboi
Thank you for your concern as such for my child to remain health in this flu season.Again thanks
October 2, 2009 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple me and you will not ever see eye to eye on anything other then the levy does not take care of the long term finance of our schools and they should have planned the levy for the long term instead of the way they have done it.And I am not using my children for any reason and I have said my children are not involved other then what is going on in the district.I will fight for them and my beliefs for what I think is right.
October 2, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ApparentlySo says...
If you keep your kids out of school until this thing passes, are you ready to keep them out of school for the next 6 months?
October 3, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
We have to do what we have to do to protect our children with athsma from this H1N1 FLU and if this means out of school for a extended period of time we will and will pick up their schoolwork and do it at home and our DOCTOR will support this.I would rather have this then a child with the above problems die.We also hav gotten the normal flu shot for them and in the next couple of weeks they will be taking the H1N1 FLU shot.
October 3, 2009 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
I have a brother who is an asthmatic, and I realize the unique problems that it poses for parents. I would like the school district to get involved in checking out school buildings, as it relates to clean air problems. I am curious if they have a maintenance program for cleaning vents and making the buildings environmentally healthy, especially for students with breathing and allergic difficulties. I know in the past they have used disinfectants, to clean the tops of student tables, but I would like to see them get into clean air. If they already do, I stand corrected. If they are careful to keep buildings healthy, student health will surely benefit. Another point is that keeping buildings clean and healthy may also result in being able to keep those buildings functioning as schools, longer.
October 3, 2009 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Dillygent1, I really do not think the district even knows how to address this issue.Our childrens teacher know the situation with our children and are very goodwith them.But when it comes to downtown its aa whole different story and I am just discusted with them to ne end.You know I actually had one of them tell me they have a child with the same problem and they sent them to school and did not worry how misinformed this parent and administrator is when t comes to this or they were just trying to blow smoke up my hind end not thinking I was smart enough to know better. But you bet this person child is not in school when the Flu gets worse.Very uncaring people downtown.But I bet if they have a out break and do not close a school and disenfect it and something happens to one of these children and they have the parents coming after them they will listen the next time.This district is not PRO-ACTIVE but in stead REACTIVE.
October 3, 2009 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple no I think that the district and their approach is what is going to get one of these children sick and god knows I would NEVER wish this to happen to one of these children. Read back apple I asked and decribed as well as Ksmith did on how bad it is for these children and watching these children not being able to breath and fighting for air.I have also stated to you on several occasions I DO NOT HATE get that into your head already.And no apple if my child does get sick and there is a full out break and the school does nothing to control it I will a call to the right people at that time.But I find it kinda funny a small district such as Elwood took EXTRA precautions to protect their communitys children and we cannot.You know apple its been fairly quite today with you not around.
October 3, 2009 at 10:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple as well you see I was not on here a bunch today and was if it is any of your darn business spending quality time with my family.I just had noticed you had not been here as I signed on tonight.And no apple there is no loneliness in this household sorry to disapoint you.You and few others just chose not to see that he above is a correct statement and do not want to admit things and so you try your hardest to pull something out of your A$$ to change the subject such as personal attacks and can not admit other districts have taken a different approach to this.
October 3, 2009 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple I guess you still do not know how to read.Read the news release from above I posted that health officials told a group of Doctors and Nurses at Heartland that the FLU cases they were seeing more aless 90% that it was the H1N1 now you are calling these professionals liars? Look I have family that works in the health care field on a professional level and I have a little inside info. Sorry you do not believe but there has been cinfirmed cases of H1N1 here in ST JOSEPH apple there has been.
October 3, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
Apple, Am I to assume, by your comment, which was addressed to me, that there is no clean air plan for the school buildings in St. Joseph [or that if they have one, it is so weak that it really amounts to not having a plan]? When I started posting, and we were discussing Neely, I told you I was for safe and healthy buildings. I still hold to that.
October 3, 2009 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ApparentlySo says...
Are you also keeping them home all the time? No Wal-mart, or the mall? No going to friends' houses? No allowing people over to your house? How are you ensuring that you aren't going to be exposed to it at work and give it to them?
October 4, 2009 at 12:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Yes when the normal flu breaks out with children that have these issues it is almost like they have to live in a bubble for a couple of months you have to limit their activity and this is hard on the children as well.And if one of us gets the flu or signs of the flu from work we do not even come home we go to familys till we are better for our children are not around us sick.This is hard but we take these precautions for our children that have athsma and because we know how hard this would be on them to get the FLU and because we are caring parents.And yes we take precautions in everything else we do during the FLU season you have to insure your child cannot get the Flu.The Flu shot for the normal flu seems to work keeping them and us from this virus but the new one H1N1 I guess only time will tell if this shot is going to work in keeping them from or anybody from getting the H1N1 virus.So ApparentlySo we take the extra precaution to protect our children with these medical conditions.Hope this answers some of you intruding questions.
October 4, 2009 at 1:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
Apple, regarding your 10:05 PM post, are you informing us that the schools do, indeed, have mold problems? I believe it was you who said Neely didn't have mold, when I had heard it did. Which is right, Apple? What kind of shape are the other schools in? I don't believe mold is good for people with allergies and breathing problems. You apparently know everything there is to know about the school district. You ought to be able to answer this, too. I don't have a problem with the age of the buildings. I have a problem with schools that are not safe and/or healthy.
October 4, 2009 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Also if there is still mold in these school why are they not addressing the issue to get the mold situation under comtrol and make their facility's csean air facility's.Look people have 100 year old homes in the NE and I bet if and when there was mold it was taken care of and addressed and it can be done in the schools as well. So why would the mold issue not be debatable I think it is and what is being done to take care of the situation and what schools have it and when will they have contractors working on the mold problem.Or are they just going to have blinders to the issue and cotinue to overlook it. Now here we go People will sayy just tear them down and biuld new and we will not have this problem and I personally do not think that is the answer and niether do they. Look I hear Skaith has a mold problem Mrs Smith's vision is to add on to Skaith so when does she plan on taking care of the mold probel if this school indeed does have mold before she biulds or after?
October 5, 2009 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Sorry to inform you but this is not hate it is legitamate concerns unlike you seeing it any other way.Take those blinders off for awhile would you.We have had this discussion before have we not?FACT they have mold take care of it in the current school fix the problem that is creating ths issue.Hard is'nt it.
October 5, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
Apple almost treats mold like it's a pop machine... one in every building. If you're a child with breathing problems, mold isn't just something that's in every building.It's something threatening your very life! Maybe the district sees the problem as Apple does: It's old. It's there. We can't do much about it. Maybe the downtown office ought to move to the Neely building. Let's see how long it takes for the administrators to notice some of the symptoms that their old staff used to complain about.
October 5, 2009 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Theres a article today where Spickard school closed due to mold and children breathing problem to correct the mold issues and do some remodel.So apple that throws your therory you cannot get ride of it unless you tear down the biulding. You are wrong.
And apple ask yoursdelf why have they let the centry old boilers still run? Why have they not been replaced through the years?Parts cannot even be ready availible for these and parts have to be made for some of these I am sure.And if it is such a place where it is hard to get them out so be it build a boiler room off of the biluding somewhere or replace them with a steam generator.
October 5, 2009 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Hows it odd apple point was they should have been taking care of things before they got into these conditions.
October 5, 2009 at 9:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
To add Neely is still standing I noticed the other day I was driving down 36 highway and it is a 100 years old did not look as if it was in a jepardy of falling over anytime soon but it will end up looking like Washintan school does in a fews years of neglect.I also noticed the other dsy Webster still is going strong as well and oh by the way I think the second floor is still empty.
October 5, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Well apple I am not going to say I am sure you know nothing about boiler but if any of them are getting years on them they need to be gone through and sometimes it is just as cheap to replace them after you open them up and see the condition they are in.And it was just plain dumb to let them run for 100 years without replacements probably more tehn once. I would be ver interested to see the cost to run the boilers the district has and what each one of the are rated as for effeciency.I bet that rating is not very good for any of them in operation.I would also be very interseted in how much tey spend for chemicals every year keeping these clean on the inside for they do not bridge which could be very dangerous situation.Ever seen a boiler explosion it is not a pretty sight.So by letting these boiler this old and never replacing them and I am sure they have been told several times they needed replaced over the year it is just plain dangerous. I would never operate one and not let one be operated.
October 5, 2009 at 10:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple for your info I have several years of a clue on the boiler issue I just had one completly redone.Water side,fire side contraols and all safeties and it was under 20 years old and Part were no longer availible and some had to be made.So how about coming into work with me and we will see if you know how to get the boiler off of low side and on high side for when production comes in they can operate.
October 5, 2009 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Ok Apple since you know so much about a boiler how often does it have to be opened up and inspected? Who does the inspection? What steps must be taken if it does not pass inspection? How long do you have to answer the state to what your course of action is going to be to make the deficencys correct?And after repairs are made does it have to be re-inspected? I will be waiting for your answers since you seem to know so much.
October 5, 2009 at 10:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
No like I said I would like to see these records and the cost associated with them and the cost to operate them.And why in the world you would operate a boiler 100 years withourt replacement.I t all boils down to not taken care of what they had so what would make anybody think they would take care of new schools any better.
October 5, 2009 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple you are just wrong as our discussion got started on the boilers I said I would be very interested in seeing what it cost to keep these running and about the records. It is also not a smart thing to let a boiler get 100 years old and not rplace them no matter what just plan dumb thing to do no matter what.SO apple this is a subject I know a little about and you said you did not so you are just wrong plain and simple.When you get those answers we will talk until then you are wrong and have no ides what you are talking about.
October 6, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple since you know all and continue to try to turn the cards on people s post you sure seem to be acting the same way as your buddies maybe you all should come up with some more original tactics because this one is not going to work and do not play dumb and act as if you do not know what I am talking about.Plain ans simple no boiler should have been ran this long seviced or not the effiecency of this boiler is horrible and cost associated with operating these must be out of this world you will not understand this though it like having a 30 year old furnace in you home and a new one the next year and the effeciency and cost saving is very different and a hugh savings with a new furnace vers your old.
October 6, 2009 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple I seem to remember that HALL still has the original boiler and I am sure that all of the school have original equipment.Why would it be any different then Neely and Hall?See the point you are missing is that if our schools had been kept up to date through the years they would not be in the shape they are.Handicap acess for example when the law went into effect they should have made all schools handicap acessable and up to the law now I am just using that as a example so do not take it out of content like you like to do.And boilers should have never been allowed to get 100 years old for god sake.Would you operate a 100 year old furnance in a home that is a hundred years old? Let me answer that for you NO.Wake up Apple and see it for what it really is and do not forget the MOLD issue.
October 6, 2009 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple as old as the schools are is that hard for you to understand?Show me one that has been replaced!!!!! in any of the schools that have boilers.
October 6, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Have you forgot how to read? I said several post before I would like to see those records on the boilers read for gods sake apple read.But you know I will ask the biulding committee and see if they have those records just to please you apple.
October 6, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ApparentlySo says...
If they have 100 year old boilers that continue to pass inspection, doesn't that indicate that they have been taking care of what they have? Really, do you think they would have got a hundred years out of them by not maintaining them? Would you have been happier if they just scheduled them for replacement every 10 years or so, just to do so?
For those that are intrigued by the intricacies of boiler regulations:
General info:
http://www.dfs.dps.mo.gov/dfsboil.htm
The rules:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/cur...
MM: Not siding with anyone, and I have my own set of reasons for hating the "district". I don't, however, spew my hatred of the district because of what was in reality some individuals and want to see the district fail as some sort of "justice". You seem to take every issue with the district and immediately turn it into "they are doing something wrong", because you are hell bent on getting them back for the realignment of boundaries.
You make a lot of statements as if they are absolute. And fortunately you have an audience of like minded individuals in the district and the city that are eager to jump on board with you. That doesn't make you right. Personally, I think "right" is somewhere in between the extremes that are highlighted on these boards.
Let's use the mold as an example. I keep reading it is carried in the ventilation? Which of these old schools have central heat and air conditioning. Sure some newer sections may have some. Most are hot water radiant heat. There is no central ventilation even. So it isn't really likely that mold is being dispersed from a boiler throughout the building. The water that is in the boiler and that is circulating is in a closed system. Windows are opened year round, although only slightly in the winter. Unless there have been some huge modifications to the schools; which would have had to include new heating and cooling systems that would include whole building HVAC systems, which more than likely would have required new boilers to integrate with those systems.
Apply a tiny bit of logic. Now, does that mean there isn't any mold and it isn't a problem? Not in the least. However, if it is only located in areas off limits to children, probably not really an issue. I'd be more concerned with smoking in the teachers lounge and open windows in the school when people are burning leaves across the street when children with asthma are present.
October 6, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
AppaerentlySo
Yes these had to be taken care of but the fact remains it is not effecient to operate them and it is very hard and very expensive to get parts for these.And I do agree with you smoking in the teachers lounge but I do not really believe that is happening would be very bad as well.
October 6, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mm1967 says...
Apple you are in bed with these folks so you must be with them all of the time.
October 6, 2009 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dillygent1 says...
Apparentlyso and Apple, I don't really think the problems of mold at Neely and Hall were due to boilers or ventilation systems. It was due to moisture. At Hall the problem is due to drainage---water run off. At Neely, it's due to a spring that runs under the school. A maintenance man has told me that a few years ago, a diversion plan was proposed for Neely, but was turned down, because it was too expensive---whatever that meant. MM, I am curious. A boiler is a rather large piece of equipment. Would removing an old boiler require tearing out a wall, or even worse, if the boiler was lower than ground level, could it be taken apart? How would removing an old school boiler be handled? Personally, I find a discussion of boilers and school boilers (being different) to be totally ludicrous. A boiler is a boiler is a boiler.At one time, I think there was a commenter on these posts who said there was a mold problem in one room at Skaith. Would that have been due to ventilation, mold, or what? I have suggested cleaning ducts, but it was not due to a mold problem. It was a dirt, dust, mite problem. Finally, to the charge of belaboring a disagreement and holding it against the district...that is human nature. Chances are that if you have a bad experience toward a person or entity, you probably aren't going to support either one.
October 6, 2009 at 11:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )